Episode 7: Earth [Warning - Contains Spoilers]

[ColonelJax]

Feel free to have a go at it when the episode is over.

[ColonelJax]

I just wanted to start off with the whole In-out scenario... pretty... mind boggling. Trippy stuff though.

Next episode though looks to be something we'd see on Stargate.

[griele]

Well, I wonder if anyone will say the ### scene wasn't needed for the story this episode. The whole taking over the body of someone else definitely has it's moral issues to be looked at. I hope they visit on that more in the future. So what does everyone think about Telford showing up at Young's house at the end?

[Vivacia]

I'll try and go in order off what I remember...yea yea I know it was only like 15 minutes ago:

Young/TJ fantasy: Well...That answers that question anyway...

Wray talking to the IOA guy on Earth: She mentioned that she was passed over for promotion four times...was it because she's a lesbian?

What DID Greer do? Did I miss it or have they still not said? Col Usurper seemed pretty pissed at him...

FTL shift disrupting com stones: LOL! The look on his face when he got back to his own body in the middle of ### with some strange woman was priceless! "Deffinatly have to fix that"
I do feel bad for Young for missing his moment though...
Also this seems to be setting up Talfourd to get back at Young through his wife.

Finally, bravo to Rush for saving everyones lives through decite!

[griele]

I'm under the impression that Greer most likely punched Telford before all this began. I thought it was rather petty of Telford to lock him up while he is basically locked up on Destiny. I mean, it's not like Greer is just going to disappear off the ship anytime soon.

With Wray, I think she was trying to dig for an answer that involved her personal choices, i.e. she was passed over for being a lesbian. I could be wrong there, but that seems like something the IOA would do. High level security clearances and personal secrets usually don't mix well.

I hope they don't lower my opinion of Telford anymore than they have already by letting him use Young's wife to get back at him. I can't believe I am admitting this, but I watched "I'm a Celebrity, Get Me Outta Here" because LDP was on there and was rather excited that he was going to be on this show. I have always like his acting and he seems to be one of the more grounded stars out there, and I know Telford is just a character, but I actually got a little upset when Telford and the other 2 ran out when Rush pulled his little trick. I was upset until I realized it was a trick, then I laughed.

[Maneru]

i liked the ending! it seems that i had the same idea!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!

[snowtrooper514]

I thought i was saddening that Chloe was whining about how she had been betrayed how she felt all bad and yet she ends up causing Eli pain. as Vic from red vs blue might say not very nice dude.

[ColonelJax]

Wray talking to the IOA guy on Earth: She mentioned that she was passed over for promotion four times...was it because she's a lesbian?

Is she? Gunna be devil's advocate and all, seems like there were other motives. It's hard to say whether or not her feelings for TJ went beyond just mere friends.

What DID Greer do? Did I miss it or have they still not said? Col Usurper seemed pretty pissed at him...

I think at this point it was obvious. Greer has somehow, in someway, assaulted Talford and it was an event that Talford just can't let go.

FTL shift disrupting com stones: LOL! The look on his face when he got back to his own body in the middle of ### with some strange woman was priceless! "Deffinatly have to fix that"
I do feel bad for Young for missing his moment though...
Also this seems to be setting up Talfourd to get back at Young through his wife.

Yeah I'm not sure how this'll play out and I'm a bit skeptical on it.

Finally, bravo to Rush for saving everyones lives through decite![/FONT]

I kind of got the impression that it was Wray's idea as well.

[Supremeaaron]

I loved Rush at the end of the episode. The way he tricked everyone into thinking something could go wrong when he had it under control. Rush seems to be learning about how to run the Destiny quite quickly or is it just me.

[Gaunt]

I loved Rush at the end of the episode. The way he tricked everyone into thinking something could go wrong when he had it under control. Rush seems to be learning about how to run the Destiny quite quickly or is it just me.

It's just you. Setting off alarms and such are simple matters compared to the major systems :P

[Kadael]

I loved Rush at the end of the episode. The way he tricked everyone into thinking something could go wrong when he had it under control. Rush seems to be learning about how to run the Destiny quite quickly or is it just me.

Surely thats the script writers? :P

Now get back to your work young man! :cool:

[Supremeaaron]

Surely thats the script writers? :P

Now get back to your work young man! :cool:
What is this "work" of which you speak?
Is it a type of food?
Is it tasty?

[US_Rover]

Terrible, terrible, terrible... Garbage chain-of-command, again, Chloe cries, again, Eli cries on the inside, again, a weak female performance by Wray, again, and another 'easy' woman (not to mention the f'd up idea of it all!), and Rush is sneaky, again...

7 eps in and nothing good to show for it... 90210 in space, indeed.

[Supremeaaron]

Terrible, terrible, terrible... Garbage chain-of-command, again, Chloe cries, again, Eli cries on the inside, again, a weak female performance by Wray, again, and another 'easy' woman (not to mention the f'd up idea of it all!), and Rush is sneaky, again...

7 eps in and nothing good to show for it... 90210 in space, indeed.

So I guess you like only it when they are in the middle of killing people and hate anything close to a drama? Also I guess you haven't being watching it really. The chain of command is supposed to be garbage since they are the wrong people for the job.

[griele]

Terrible, terrible, terrible... Garbage chain-of-command, again, Chloe cries, again, Eli cries on the inside, again, a weak female performance by Wray, again, and another 'easy' woman (not to mention the f'd up idea of it all!), and Rush is sneaky, again...

7 eps in and nothing good to show for it... 90210 in space, indeed.

Then quit watching the show and quit complaining to those of us who actually enjoy it.

NOW GET OFF MY INTERNET, YOU YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPER! NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS SHOW.

[Gaunt]

SGU is different to SG-1 and SG-A in that it is more about the characters themselves rather than the technology, the aliens, or perhaps even the overall story.

[US_Rover]

I don't mind drama aron but only junk drama is junk... I had high hopes for this show but like many I've been sadly disappointed.

The chain-of-command shouldn't be garbage because it is the same CoC that was on Icarus. Young was the base commander then and is still the OiC... although he doesn't act like it...

I will stop watching griele so you can get back to loving it and believing that its God's greatest gift... and yes, somebody cares! My mommy does!:P

[Supremeaaron]

I don't mind drama aron but only junk drama is junk... I had high hopes for this show but like many I've been sadly disappointed.

The chain-of-command shouldn't be garbage because it is the same CoC that was on Icarus. Young was the base commander then and is still the OiC... although he doesn't act like it...

I will stop watching griele so you can get back to loving it and believing that its God's greatest gift... and yes, somebody cares! My mommy does!:P

Ehh you do realize the team on Icarus were there just to keep the base operational until the expedition team got there. Honestly SGU so far in my mind is just behind SG1 and miles ahead of SGA already.

[irishcommander]

IMO the best parts of the ep that felt like stargate were the fantasies with Col Young and TJ and the one with Eli and Chloe. Also did anyone else notice how Rush acted a bit like McKay during the reveal?

[Mathyos]

that was a whole new dimension to the 'love triangle' lol

[US_Rover]

Don't know what you mean aron... Young was more than just a cardboard cutout CO. He was the Icarus Base Commander. When you're a Base Commander (especially in the SGC mind you) that usually mean you know how to run things, especially when that planet and that bases' mission is 'sensitive' with a $1.6 bil price tag...

And wouldn't the expedition team just be a glorified SG team anyway?

Sorry aron, but you don't make Col by being a functioning retard and you don't run the SGC by putting one in-charge of a super secret base... The Col should know how to run things and he's not. After Chloe, he's the weakest character, with the most face time that is...

For those who can look past this and everything else, I hope you enjoy it because I can't. (no sarcasm)

[Supremeaaron]

The problem is commanding a base with the right resources and commanding a bunch of scared and lost several million light years with limited resources are 2 different things in my opinion. Granted I say Young can handle a lot especially if you look up to O'Neill like he said he does and try to follow the guidelines of someone like that is not a easy task.

[Mathyos]

it's weird for me to watch o'neill with the new camera work...

[czap]

After watching SGU last night, the last scene!! :mad:

OMG Telford is a complete JERK!!! :mad:

Something bad should happen to him!!! :P

[czap]

it's weird for me to watch o'neill with the new camera work...

LOL, yea Jack got old and fat...

[czap]

OK so many of you think McKay and Sam should have an episode?

Oh wait that would end the series.... (LOL)

Anyway, I would like to see Rush & McKay switch for an episode...


Telford SUX! Hate him!!

[irishcommander]

LOL, yea Jack got old and fat...

well he is in his late 50's early 60's so it's just his age dude.

[Supremeaaron]

To people who think Telford is a jerk. Try seeing the situation through his eyes. Telford was supposed to lead the proper expedition and was picked over Col. Young. Also I think Telford is looking down on Young because he got the position he was supposed to get and he thinks Young doesn't deserve it.

[czap]

To people who think Telford is a jerk. Try seeing the situation through his eyes. Telford was supposed to lead the proper expedition and was picked over Col. Young. Also I think Telford is looking down on Young because he got the position he was supposed to get and he thinks Young doesn't deserve it.

Dont have an issue with his leadership skills, just his morals.. (the last scene)

Telford is a JERK!
His also a p u s s y!! Who ran when it looked like it was gonna explode?

[czap]

well he is in his late 50's early 60's so it's just his age dude.

He just needs to start dating Sam... That will thin him up...

[Supremeaaron]

Dont have an issue with his leadership skills, just his morals.. (the last scene)

Telford is a JERK!
His also a p u s s y!! Who ran when it looked like it was gonna explode?

Who wouldn't run in that situation? Humans have an dieing ability of self preservation.

[czap]

Who wouldn't run in that situation? Humans have an dieing ability of self preservation.

Lets see,,,,
SG1 wouldn't, McKay wouldn't... :lol:

[US_Rover]

The problem is commanding a base with the right resources and commanding a bunch of scared and lost several million light years with limited resources are 2 different things in my opinion.

Agreed, but he was a former SG team leader so he'd have some experience leading troops in unique and extraordinary circumstances. For my money, he should be rocking this 'new command' instead he's floundering... if it's because of personal reasons, which I'd understand, then they did a poor job setting that situation up... anyway, I don't want to get into it more because I know you're liking the show and I don't want to keep harping on about. :) IMO, they let my idea of the show down and have therefor lost me... at least on Fri nights (I still reserve the right to watch it On Demand later in the week :P )

Side comment: I can't believe Young and his wife?! I mean, I can see connecting with your significant other while they inhabit another body and I'd probably eventually cuddle with 'em... but to get down and dirty is a whole nother ball game! Kinda kinky but whoa:blink:

[Vivacia]

Is she? Gunna be devil's advocate and all, seems like there were other motives. It's hard to say whether or not her feelings for TJ went beyond just mere friends.
Its not between her and TJ, Wray mentioned a woman in her 'Message in a Bottle'. S-something. Sierra? Shanna? something like that...


I kind of got the impression that it was Wray's idea as well.
Then Bravo to Wray as well!

To people who think Telford is a jerk. Try seeing the situation through his eyes. Telford was supposed to lead the proper expedition and was picked over Col. Young. Also I think Telford is looking down on Young because he got the position he was supposed to get and he thinks Young doesn't deserve it.
All of that may be true but that doesn't make him not a jerk. In fact jerk would be an understatement.
A) Playing with the lives of other people is not cool. If he stuck with the idea and saw the plan through to the end I could respect him+scientists but they ran away like frightened bunnies! It may be the logical choice, but it's not cool. :mad:
B) Just because you got thrown back into your body as it was...peaking...doesn't give you the right to go back and pretend to be Young!

[Shepard]

Well not too shaby but come on the only thing that was "stargate" was the ship and the gate...What Am'I watching come on at the end tha stupid @!#$! pretended to be col. young.......!!!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!!!!! :mad:
PS: I HAte that kind of stuFFFFF!Come ' on people this is startgate lets protect its pride!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Supremeaaron]

Well not too shaby but come on the only thing that was "stargate" was the ship and the gate...What Am'I watching come on at the end tha stupid @!#$! pretended to be col. young.......!!!?!?!?!?!??!!?!?!!!!! :mad:
PS: I HAte that kind of stuFFFFF!Come ' on people this is startgate lets protect its pride!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is doing a better job of protecting the pride of Stargate then Atlantis did. I really don't get why people are hating SGU, sure there is no action like there was in SG1 and a lesser extent in SGA but we all knew this going in (since Brad and Rob said that in nearly every interview about SGU).

[czap]

It is doing a better job of protecting the pride of Stargate then Atlantis did. I really don't get why people are hating SGU, sure there is no action like there was in SG1 and a lesser extent in SGA but we all knew this going in (since Brad and Rob said that in nearly every interview about SGU).

Don't get me wrong, I am a fan, SGU rocks..
I still wanna see an episode with Rush & McKay!!!

[Slick]

LOL, yea Jack got old and fat...

I guess that's what a desk job does to you. RDA is an actor I have been watching since I was a little lad, and being 21 now and seeing him so old.... I think I'm going to cry :cry:

I think SGU is turning out pretty good. My favorite characters are Eli, Rush, and Greer.

Eli is a bit like McKay, but with more balls and a better attitude (less doom and gloom and more "let’s do this for ladies!").

Rush is cool because first of all he's a genius. This gives him a very special insight into things that maybe only Eli has the ability to grasp slightly. By this I mean Rush does not only understand science, he know how to use his abilities to take effective command of a situation on his own. This would be why he has an attitude problem, which is what makes him so interesting, but not necessarily the bad guy.

Greer is just a badass. He knows what has to be done in most situations and he doesn't hesitate to do it. The big problem with him though is he has a little too much testosterone. Overall I think he's an awesome character.

[xxxRetsopmi]

I'll try and go in order off what I remember...yea yea I know it was only like 15 minutes ago:

Young/TJ fantasy: Well...That answers that question anyway...

Wray talking to the IOA guy on Earth: She mentioned that she was passed over for promotion four times...was it because she's a lesbian?

What DID Greer do? Did I miss it or have they still not said? Col Usurper seemed pretty pissed at him...

FTL shift disrupting com stones: LOL! The look on his face when he got back to his own body in the middle of ### with some strange woman was priceless! "Deffinatly have to fix that"
I do feel bad for Young for missing his moment though...
Also this seems to be setting up Talfourd to get back at Young through his wife.

Finally, bravo to Rush for saving everyones lives through decite!

If I remember right. They explained why Geer was locked up. He punched Telford or someone. He laid the guy out. When they think the ship is gonna explode him and Young talk about it.

To people who think Telford is a jerk. Try seeing the situation through his eyes. Telford was supposed to lead the proper expedition and was picked over Col. Young. Also I think Telford is looking down on Young because he got the position he was supposed to get and he thinks Young doesn't deserve it.

The last episode they explaine that Telford was picked because Young said NO. But then crap hit the fan and now Young is there anyways.

I wouldn't be surprised to see that telford and youngs wife are/werer having an affair.

[Slick]

I wouldn't be surprised to see that telford and youngs wife are/werer having an affair.

Oh I hope not! If they add too mauch "affair" plot this is going to turn too much into an Enlgish version of Spanish soaps....in space :o

I like the show, but by the gods I hope they don't make more affairs, that would really ruin the show. At least for me it will.

[IDEVILMANI]

Young said NO to the expedition because he wanted to work things out with his wife. That is understandable.

Personally, I expect to see A LOT more security with the stones now. I would expect that ANYONE using the stones on the Destiny wouldn't be allowed to leave the stone room and have armed guards posted at all times. Also, if I used to the stones, I would give the guards a password so they wouldn't let me out until I said it.

Also.
What was with the alien cam on earth.

[Slick]

Also.
What was with the alien cam on earth.

I think people are mistaking the new camera technique and rumors with the weird notion that aliens are watching the crew. I just think this is the Stargate method of documentary filming. Their may be aliens on the ship, but it has nothing to do with the filming techique.

[xxxRetsopmi]

Young said NO to the expedition because he wanted to work things out with his wife. That is understandable.

Personally, I expect to see A LOT more security with the stones now. I would expect that ANYONE using the stones on the Destiny wouldn't be allowed to leave the stone room and have armed guards posted at all times. Also, if I used to the stones, I would give the guards a password so they wouldn't let me out until I said it.

Also.
What was with the alien cam on earth.

Yea they will probably have Greer stand there all pissed off and ready to shoot.

I think people are mistaking the new camera technique and rumors with the weird notion that aliens are watching the crew. I just think this is the Stargate method of documentary filming. Their may be aliens on the ship, but it has nothing to do with the filming techique.

First there ARE aliens watching the crew. This has already been confirmed. It was also confirmed based on the different camera angles used for just those shots. So far there have only seen 3 shots that use the alien POV.

Though they haven't used it on earth at all. So I don't know where the upper person got the idea.

[griele]

Actually, when Young was standing at his door begging his wife to talk to him there was one of the "alien" camera angles, where young starts to turn around and the camera sort of retreats behind a bush, only to come back out when his wife opens the door. That was the only one on Earth I noticed.

As for Eli, he's too young and too much of a slacker to know how to manipulate people yet. Not that he won't learn from Rush. Plus you have to figure he was beamed up from his house, sent to an alien planet, then gated to an alien ship millions of LY from earth. Personally, I think he's not playing into where he should. He should be less ballsy and frankly a bit more doom and gloom. I just don't think his reactions are typical from someone who has had no responsibility at all in his life. Of course, that's just my opinion.

[yellowperil]

I think this episode on the whole was purely to put Earth back into place, they showed that, it easy enough for them to hop into characters on the destiny and try and run things, and not treat the people that are actually stuck out there as their number one priority, we could see this, that when the crap started to hit the fan, they all bolted and left the destiny crew to sort oout the crap on their own.

One thing that did occur to me was the failing of the stones, now I think Rush had something to do with this, maybe he is working on some blocking method, he knows that the people at earth are scared they have no real control over what happens on the ship.

Overall we see a definite them and us situation, rush and certain key members are seeing this on the destiny and can see that it is for there benefit to protect themselves from this happening.

Overall I like the way things are panning out, its a little slower that I thought they would go at it, but hey if they covered to much each episode storyline would run out to quick, my only concern here is they slow down storyline progression to much and people will just get bored because nothing much happens every episode.

[ColonelJax]

Dont have an issue with his leadership skills, just his morals.. (the last scene)

There's nothing unreasonable out of it. I don't see why people argue that as cowardly. The death works both ways in the event of severing the connection through death. He was acting on instincts to save the other two as well. The SGC would not tolerate sacrifice of individuals over the com device.

Guess it's hard to explain but it would be stupid if he stayed and the ship exploded. They'd have three corpses at the SGC.

Its not between her and TJ, Wray mentioned a woman in her 'Message in a Bottle'. S-something. Sierra? Shanna? something like that...


Some info also dictates TJ as being half Asian, that she was born to a Asian mother or father; not sure as I don't have the details in front of me. I think to some degree this may also involve the two together.

[Simon_Lord]

i liked chloe at first, now i think she's a ****...i mean come on! Attention w h o r e! she comes to the destiny, sleeps with TJ, make close friend with Eli, we learned that she had a Boyfriend on earth, and kisses Eli....

Now we got Telford, i thought he was a standup guy who just felt bad he isnt helping his comrades trapped in the ship. now i realised hes just a guy who wants power and he likes being the boss. He dropped real low when Rush told him it wasnt going to work. He just rushed to the stones, how selfish ( i know thats all he could do, but still....)

And, i just wanted to know, dont you think the destiny got low on power really fast? like a fiew lasers and boom, back to the star...

Also, i dont remember: does the guy that got hurt trying to fix the ship faked it? or hes dead/really wounded?

[magecu]

Then quit watching the show and quit complaining to those of us who actually enjoy it.

NOW GET OFF MY INTERNET, YOU YOUNG WHIPPERSNAPPER! NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS SHOW.

Actually that's what happens with a friend of mine (big fan of SG1).
This was the last episode he was able to stomach.

I personally hate the camera, but if they decided to go with it they should at least use it well.

For example the shots on earth should have been made with a more classic camera to accent the difference of order and "prosperity", compared with the disarray and lack of resources on the Destiny.

Also as the ship gets repaired and more livable it would make sense to tone done the camera to give also a visual impression that things are slowly getting better.

On another note that's not the SG that many of us came to love. Where is the friendship and the trust between the characters, where is the common effort to overcome the problems at hand.
There are so many plot holes in this I can't believe it.

Would it be hard to use the stone to transfer a proper doctors conscience into the blond medic or someone else, when a medical emergency arises.
Couldn't they get McKay or some other god scientist to help out with the issues on the ship.
Can't the stones transfer other information than consciousness and memories. I mean if they can transfer all that a person is from one body to the other (or create an instantaneous link between the two bodies and two minds), then they should be able to transfer large amounts of information almost instantaneously. Although they probably are already doing something like that, just it wasn't clearly stated on the show.


Anyway I think I will still try and continue with watching the show, maybe I am just a bit of a masochist. :D
And there is always hope that they will now move to some more watchable plots.

[Supremeaaron]

Heres a thought maybe McKay is working on fixing Atlantis, since it had to literly crash land on earth with nearly 0 power (enough for a cloak) The super hive did a number on the ship and I doubt McKay would be happy to jump ship. People need to think ideas through not just say oh put Carter or McKay on the Destiny. What next put Shepard on the Destiny because he was the military leader of the Atlantis Expedition and some Ancients had a thing for him. People need to realize that Brad and Rob don't want to call on people from other shows on every occasion and heres a kicker Rush and Eli are supposed to be as smart as Carter and McKay.

Also before I forget Brad and Rob want SGU to a new audience and I doubt they want to bring in characters like Rodney just for comic relief.

[Shepard]

It is doing a better job of protecting the pride of Stargate then Atlantis did. I really don't get why people are hating SGU, sure there is no action like there was in SG1 and a lesser extent in SGA but we all knew this going in (since Brad and Rob said that in nearly every interview about SGU).

:lol: :lol: :lol: Are you serious ....(well the story line is great Yeah it does but.. come on ....) its a little bit stupit dont you think (I'm saying about this ep.!!!!! not the hole show well maybe a little bit but al in al its good some of.. :confused: :) ).!!!!

[Supremeaaron]

Lets put it this way the character of Chloe is better explained then some of the mains in SGA. Infact only Shepard and Rodney were fleshed out, Teyla was a bit but then by season 3 they said f*** it.

[magecu]

Heres a thought maybe McKay is working on fixing Atlantis, since it had to literly crash land on earth with nearly 0 power (enough for a cloak) The super hive did a number on the ship and I doubt McKay would be happy to jump ship. People need to think ideas through not just say oh put Carter or McKay on the Destiny. What next put Shepard on the Destiny because he was the military leader of the Atlantis Expedition and some Ancients had a thing for him. People need to realize that Brad and Rob don't want to call on people from other shows on every occasion and heres a kicker Rush and Eli are supposed to be as smart as Carter and McKay.

Also before I forget Brad and Rob want SGU to a new audience and I doubt they want to bring in characters like Rodney just for comic relief.
I used McKay just as an example. I though someone with extensive knowledge of Ancient systems would be the first choice for helping out on the Destiny.
Maybe Mckays sister. :P
Just joking. ;)

Anyway if Brad and Rob are aiming at a new audience, then they hit spot on. Sadly it just seems that I don't fall well in that group. :(

I have to say that this new show feels a lot like the spoof from the 200th episode with the teenagers. :(
If I wanted to watch a soap-opera I would have gone to watch a soap-opera, or maybe lost. :P

[Keldran]

So what does everyone think about Telford showing up at Young's house at the end?

It gets my vote for creepiest-stargate-moment-ever.

I've generally not been enjoying Universe anywhere near as much as the other Stargate series - but I have found episodes 6 and 7 less irritating.

[ColonelJax]

It gets my vote for creepiest-stargate-moment-ever..

I could very well be wrong about this but I think Telford is feeling violated. His arrival to Young's current significant other (since I assume they're divorced or on the verge of but Young is trying to keep it together) to simply sever the connection. "This is my body, I don't care what sort of relationship you two are trying to put back together but I want no part of it." - Sort of thing. Since he does say during the chaos on Destiny, "The sooner we get these people back, the better." The way he said it, the tone of his voice, came across hostile rather than "ooo I wanna finish the ###". :P

So the next time Young tries to get back in touch she pushes him away or he's grounded to the SGC HQ without the ability to leave off-base. Something to that extent, which of course will hurt Young to unimaginable ends and essentially Talford gets "even".

[Keldran]

I could very well be wrong about this but I think Telford is feeling violated. His arrival to Young's current significant other (since I assume they're divorced or on the verge of but Young is trying to keep it together) to simply sever the connection. "This is my body, I don't care what sort of relationship you two are trying to put back together but I want no part of it." - Sort of thing. Since he does say during the chaos on Destiny, "The sooner we get these people back, the better." The way he said it, the tone of his voice, came across hostile rather than "ooo I wanna finish the ###". :P

So the next time Young tries to get back in touch she pushes him away or he's grounded to the SGC HQ without the ability to leave off-base. Something to that extent, which of course will hurt Young to unimaginable ends and essentially Talford gets "even".

It's possible, though... Telford is male and probably heterosexual, ergo will throw a leg over anything that moves (and probably a few things that don't). And at least going by what we saw, he managed to return to his body for the... happy ending, without having to do any of the work. Hurrah for Telford! :P

But seriously, Young and his wife obviously shouldn't have done what they did - and the fact that they did it is just another unbelievable melodramatic plot device. And Telford confronting her rather than taking up with eg. O'Neill - yes, that would be another unbelievable melodramatic plot device, so you're probably right.

Technically Young and his wife have committed ****. The fact that Telford's consciousness was elsewhere for the act (or nearly all of it) is irrelevant. **** an unconscious person and it's still ****. For Young and his wife to do what they did - they'd have to have a combined IQ of about 12 between them.

[griele]

****? Really? Two consenting adults does not make ****. Granted it wasn't Young's body, but his conscience was in control of the body, and at least in the USA, possession is 9/10th's of the law. Body alone is not guaranteed rights and the laws you are talking about deal more on intent and purpose of will. For it to be classified as ****, there would have to be intent to harm Telford.

[US_Rover]

For Young and his wife to do what they did - they'd have to have a combined IQ of about 12 between them.

Agreed!

Young thinks to himself; 'Yeah, I don't really like this guy that much and the feeling is mutual, but I'm okay with going home and porking my wife with his body?! Wait, did I just say that?' :unsure:

Young's "wife" says to herself; 'Telford's body again?!!! Why not the gardner's? Or the poolman's? Or that cute little Airwoman's? Hey, can he come back in two people?!' :boot:

[ColonelJax]

I do agree though, it was a poor plot method. They probably shouldn't of engaged but I suppose some things can't beat the power of romance.

[magecu]

I do agree though, it was a poor plot method. They probably shouldn't of engaged but I suppose some things can't beat the power of romance.
I wouldn't call that romance. :P

[xxxRetsopmi]

I think people will be amazed to see that Telford and Youngs wife have a relationship of their own.

It would make sense. She had a hard time seeing Young as Telford at the start. Then she accepts it and goes to be with Young in Telfords body. Then Telford shows up at the house at the end.

I think the wife and Telford have something going on. Probably started when the wife found out about TJ. It was her way of getting even.

Telford wasn't all that surprised when he jumped back to his body. It was more of a shock then a disgusted look. But that could just be the terrible acting of Phillips.

[griele]

I think it makes for a good plot point. It asks us to think about the question "What is acceptable to do with another body?" Sci-Fi has always been on the leading edge of ethics. With out putting plots out with the questions of this kind, we wouldn't know what to do with most scientific advancement. I think one day in the future a communication device like this may exist. Granted it won't be magical rocks, but with the advancement of bio-electronics and computer implants, it may very well come to a time when you could up-load yourself into someone else. Personally, I think it would be better to think about the ramifications now, then wait for the day it happens.

[Imrahil]

Oh come on, I can't believe what I'm seeing here.
Are there actually people who can watch SGU with both halves of their brains active?
I can't...

I had hopes for SGU to be science fiction, but instead I get to watch "Stargate, 90210" every friday evening...
Is it too much to ask for decent science fiction without enough soap opera to make me want to throw up?
Somehow SG:A and SG1 managed to, why does SGU fail so hard?

Imho the whole ###-thing is simply going to far, it's supposed to be Stargate, not some sort of softporn.
Imrahil

[magecu]

Oh come on, I can't believe what I'm seeing here.
Are there actually people who can watch SGU with both halves of their brains active?
I can't...

I had hopes for SGU to be science fiction, but instead I get to watch "Stargate, 90210" every friday evening...
Is it too much to ask for decent science fiction without enough soap opera to make me want to throw up?
Somehow SG:A and SG1 managed to, why does SGU fail so hard?

Imho the whole ###-thing is simply going to far, it's supposed to be Stargate, not some sort of softporn.
Imrahil

From what I heard they are aiming for a new target public.
And to me it looks liek they have not yet decided between true blood and lost. :P

[Tanith]

100% agree with this opinion on the episode: http://www.gateworld.net/news/2009/11/review-sgus-earth/

[rex21c]

I being a little more on the tech side of things find myself yelling at the TV.

From the first episode, when they got on the ship, they start lookin around, turning crap on, finding a battery charging station, taking steam showers, then surprise surprise THEY RUN OUT OF POWER!!! Where there NO Atlantis reports? Did nobody talk to anybody from atlantis about what happens when you go exploring around a ship turning stuff on without finding out what your power needs are? I know i know the wrong people in the wrong place, but anybody who is in that line of service would have heard even in passing a conversation about what happened to the atlantis team when they went pokin around atlantis when they first got there.

The last episode made my head hurt, and i am still thinking that i missed something. so they fly through a star, dial earth. first problem, ummmm i thought they didnt know where they where in relation to earth, SO what was their point of orgin????? where did this magical gate address come from???

There where a couple of instances on SG1 where when a wormhole passes by a sun, the gravity from the sun causes problems, namely time travel. So if dialing from inside a sun, if they were able to make a connection, would they have ended up in the right time? why did the brain jocks on earth not think of this problem? why did Rush not think of this problem? even more important did the writers not watch or write for either of the other two shows?!?!

on a side note, im not sure if this was brought up or not, but the space suits on the ship look a bit like the asgard suits in atlantis.

[Keldran]

****? Really? Two consenting adults does not make ****. Granted it wasn't Young's body, but his conscience was in control of the body, and at least in the USA, possession is 9/10th's of the law. Body alone is not guaranteed rights and the laws you are talking about deal more on intent and purpose of will. For it to be classified as ****, there would have to be intent to harm Telford.

**** requires no intent to harm - it's a sexual, physical act involving someone else's body without their consent. Otherwise, by your logic, a rapist could argue, "But I'm an awesome shag and really thought she'd enjoy it, therefore it wasn't ****" and that would be nonsense.

I think it makes for a good plot point. It asks us to think about the question "What is acceptable to do with another body?" Sci-Fi has always been on the leading edge of ethics. With out putting plots out with the questions of this kind, we wouldn't know what to do with most scientific advancement.

Sci-fi is generally ahead of the field when it comes to presenting provocative moral/ethical questions on television.

But really, this one is pathetic and a total no-brainer. If you don't have express permission from the person whose body you're inhabiting, then taking into account the prevailing social attitudes towards ###, ### is clearly out of the question.

Personally, I wouldn't mind. Someone stuck that far away from their partner and in a situation where they may never get back - if they asked to use my body for a shag then I'd say yes.

But just to presume, and in the body of someone who dislikes you...

It could have been made credible if they'd made some attempt to blur the line. But all we got was a plea from Young for his wife to open the door (during the day), then later the scene cuts to them in bed (at night).

It might have been credible if eg. we'd seen some interaction leading up to the shag. Emotions running high. Telford giving his wife a hug to comfort her, her reaching up instinctively to kiss him, passions rising etc. etc.

Then maybe a bit of guilt afterwards.

And maybe if all of this had happened some time in season two or three, after a prolonged period of separation...

Then even though I'd still say what they did was wrong, people often do wrong things as a result of, let's call them human limitations. Loneliness, a compassionate attempt to console, hormones etc. etc.

That would have been a good example of the kind of "character relationship focus" that they've been harping on about as their goal. But the way they've presented it... it's just facile melodrama.

[Keldran]

I being a little more on the tech side of things find myself yelling at the TV.


You can take some solace from the fact that my flatmate (also a techie) does the same. I've never seen him yell at the TV before, but SGU seems to exasperate him.

[Slick]

I being a little more on the tech side of things find myself yelling at the TV.

From the first episode, when they got on the ship, they start lookin around, turning crap on, finding a battery charging station, taking steam showers, then surprise surprise THEY RUN OUT OF POWER!!! Where there NO Atlantis reports? Did nobody talk to anybody from atlantis about what happens when you go exploring around a ship turning stuff on without finding out what your power needs are? I know i know the wrong people in the wrong place, but anybody who is in that line of service would have heard even in passing a conversation about what happened to the atlantis team when they went pokin around atlantis when they first got there.

The last episode made my head hurt, and i am still thinking that i missed something. so they fly through a star, dial earth. first problem, ummmm i thought they didnt know where they where in relation to earth, SO what was their point of orgin????? where did this magical gate address come from???

There where a couple of instances on SG1 where when a wormhole passes by a sun, the gravity from the sun causes problems, namely time travel. So if dialing from inside a sun, if they were able to make a connection, would they have ended up in the right time? why did the brain jocks on earth not think of this problem? why did Rush not think of this problem? even more important did the writers not watch or write for either of the other two shows?!?!

on a side note, im not sure if this was brought up or not, but the space suits on the ship look a bit like the asgard suits in atlantis.

Word.

[Keldran]

There where a couple of instances on SG1 where when a wormhole passes by a sun, the gravity from the sun causes problems, namely time travel. So if dialing from inside a sun, if they were able to make a connection, would they have ended up in the right time? why did the brain jocks on earth not think of this problem? why did Rush not think of this problem? even more important did the writers not watch or write for either of the other two shows?!?!


From memory, it was solar flares intersecting with the wormhole that caused time travel, not the star itself.

And as far as gravity goes, the artificial gravity inside Destiny should apply, rather than what's going on outside.

In Red Sky, the stargate's safety protocols disallowed dialling to a planet because the wormhole would have passed through a star. Carter managed to over-ride the protocol and they successfully created a stable wormhole. The only problem they encountered was some heavy element getting picked up by the star as they travelled through it. And that just screwed up the star. People were able to travel via the wormhole just fine.

So at worst, it would seem like they might taint a star.

[zainea13]

The last episode made my head hurt, and i am still thinking that i missed something. so they fly through a star, dial earth. first problem, ummmm i thought they didnt know where they where in relation to earth, SO what was their point of orgin????? where did this magical gate address come from???

...

on a side note, im not sure if this was brought up or not, but the space suits on the ship look a bit like the asgard suits in atlantis.

In Air part II I believe, Riley finds the address for earth in the computer of destiny. Remember they are traveling through space so they don't need a point of origin. Also, they do know where they are in relation to earth, at a point after Rush made that speech, he finds a star map that shows the path destiny took after it left earth. So they could therefore locate their position relatively...

And yes, I agree. Which makes me curious, because i have no idea when this alliance started between all the species. And I know that the Asgard that left for Pegasus left around 10,000 years ago, and destiny is supposed to be millions of years ago, so i feel like at some point between millions and 10,000, the ancients/asgard would have come up with better suits to share with each other... lol

[griele]

But you can argue that by using the stones Telford is consenting to letting Young or whomever inhabit and use his body. Telford knows what he is getting into and with your logic on it, if Telford is a vegetarian and Young eats a ham sandwich, he just violated Telford. Unfortunately the only analogy I can come up with any where close to the situation is with Remote Desktop connections. If you allow someone to remotely connect to your computer, anything they do would not be considered a legal violation of your property because you allowed them to do it and are a party to it happening.

The comment about the rapist is wholly ludicrous because a rapist is forcing someone against their will to a sexual act. Telford was every bit consenting when he used the stones.

[Imrahil]

The comment about the rapist is wholly ludicrous because a rapist is forcing someone against their will to a sexual act. Telford was every bit consenting when he used the stones.

If I open my door I'm not consenting with the guy I opened it for if he starts carrying out my TV and other Stuff...

[griele]

Possessions have nothing to do with with the type of law that you think is being broken here. Now, if Young went to Telford's house and started taking his things, then yes, but by using the stones, he is consenting to let Young use his body while he is using Young's. If Young is doing something wrong with Telford's body then Telford was just as guilty of violating Young when he first switched places while Young was injured and Telford refused to allow Young's body to stay on bed rest.

Think of it this way, you switch cars with a friend, your friend doesn't drive on the freeway, you happen to want to go somewhere that you would need to take the freeway. Is it wrong for you to drive your friends car on the freeway just because they never have? I look at the situation as your body does not make you you. Your consciousness does. Your personality and psyche are what make you you, not what body you inhabit. The body is just a tool to be used, same as any tool.

[Aszrayel]

I'm sorry. Just watched this episode. And I have to say what a pile of Beverly Hills 90210 crap. If this continues, the series will be destroyed for me. What the F*** the writers are thinking is beyond me, apart from over copying BSG.

I actually sat watching the TV tonight tell the GF to stop russling the papers and after 40 mins of pure rubbish I stated This is a crap show, not sure how much more I can take.

Thanks SG:U how to put people off anything Stargate :( <- Sad Bunny.

[ColonelJax]

Dang, either someone hacked Aszrayel or he's really ticked. o.o

[xxxRetsopmi]

People are really talking about ****?

Lmao. Talk about drama queens. Seriously. It was an episode of a show. It had nothing to do with ****.

Also as I said above. There is a chance telford and youngs wife were having an affair. If that is the case then **** also wouldn't be an option.

We got some really weird people here.

[Aszrayel]

People are really talking about ****?

Lmao. Talk about drama queens. Seriously. It was an episode of a show. It had nothing to do with ****.

Also as I said above. There is a chance telford and youngs wife were having an affair. If that is the case then **** also wouldn't be an option.

We got some really weird people here.

EDIT:Something RUDE[/EDIT]. And no my account has not been hacked. I am very hacked off though.

And as for relation to the game. It did use pre-scripted footage of the game in the first episode with Eli. So ERGO there is a reference. And the show so far is crap.

[magecu]

I'm sorry. Just watched this episode. And I have to say what a pile of Beverly Hills 90210 crap. If this continues, the series will be destroyed for me. What the F*** the writers are thinking is beyond me, apart from over copying BSG.

I actually sat watching the TV tonight tell the GF to stop russling the papers and after 40 mins of pure rubbish I stated This is a crap show, not sure how much more I can take.

Thanks SG:U how to put people off anything Stargate :( <- Sad Bunny.
If this continues like that SGU really won't be a show I care for.
Obviously that doesn't go for the entire franchise of SG, and if this show flops, i will be sad for what it means for the entire series. :D

Possessions have nothing to do with with the type of law that you think is being broken here. Now, if Young went to Telford's house and started taking his things, then yes, but by using the stones, he is consenting to let Young use his body while he is using Young's. If Young is doing something wrong with Telford's body then Telford was just as guilty of violating Young when he first switched places while Young was injured and Telford refused to allow Young's body to stay on bed rest.

Think of it this way, you switch cars with a friend, your friend doesn't drive on the freeway, you happen to want to go somewhere that you would need to take the freeway. Is it wrong for you to drive your friends car on the freeway just because they never have? I look at the situation as your body does not make you you. Your consciousness does. Your personality and psyche are what make you you, not what body you inhabit. The body is just a tool to be used, same as any tool.

First to start with something controversial, explosive and big, like any good show or book (ROFL, sad thing is, that it's true).

From that point of view sexual violation is OK as long as the person is being violated is unconscious at the moment and obviously wasn't able to feel and isn't able to remember what happened.

And yeas I do believe that Telford abused Young's body at the first switch.

In my opinion everything that can have a negative (especially permanent) effect on the body should be avoided if possible or if not agreed before hand.

[griele]

No, I'm not saying that sexual violation is okay if someone's unconscious at that moment, what I am saying is that Telford knows that young will be in his body, he knowingly and freely enters into using the stones of his own free will thereby consenting to Young taking over his body and using it as his own. If Telford did not want Young to take over his body and use it as his own, he should never have used the stones in the first place. Would you conclude that Young is violating Telford if he were to drink alcohol while in Telford's body if Telford didn't drink alcohol?

I agree with Rets, though, the more I think about it, I think Telford was already sleeping with Young's wife because she was fairly ready to jump in bed with him. Personally, if my significant other showed up in someone elses body I would take quite a while to adjust to it.

[magecu]

No, I'm not saying that sexual violation is okay if someone's unconscious at that moment, what I am saying is that Telford knows that young will be in his body, he knowingly and freely enters into using the stones of his own free will thereby consenting to Young taking over his body and using it as his own. If Telford did not want Young to take over his body and use it as his own, he should never have used the stones in the first place. Would you conclude that Young is violating Telford if he were to drink alcohol while in Telford's body if Telford didn't drink alcohol?

First the violation example was meant as an exaggeration, don't worry I was never under the impression that you condoned it. :D LOL
A joke on the first paragraph in books, or first episodes in tv series's.

Actually yes I would take drinking as an abuse, that was part of the argument I was making. For example what Eli and the others were doing at the club, I also think was abusing the borrowed bodies.

Without a previous agreement on what is acceptable, people should use common sense and respect for the lent bodies.

After all if you borrow a car you wouldn't go burning tires or over rev the engine for fun (well at least I wouldn't).
Another thing is if you agree on that with the owner. :)

[Gaunt]

After all if you borrow a car you wouldn't go burning tires or over rev the engine for fun (well at least I wouldn't).
Another thing is if you agree on that with the owner. :)

I'll be right back. I'm just going to ask the neighbour if I can burn his tyres and over rev his engine for a bit... :D

[Aszrayel]

I'll be right back. I'm just going to ask the neighbour if I can burn his tyres and over rev his engine for a bit... :D

ROFLMAO.

[Imrahil]

I'll be right back. I'm just going to ask the neighbour if I can burn his tyres and over rev his engine for a bit... :D

That does about sum it up :D
Imrahil

[xxxRetsopmi]

EDIT:Something RUDE[/EDIT]. And no my account has not been hacked. I am very hacked off though.

And as for relation to the game. It did use pre-scripted footage of the game in the first episode with Eli. So ERGO there is a reference. And the show so far is crap.

Yet again it DID NOT USE PART OF THE SGW GAME. It used a part of the ENGINE the game is written on. They made a specific little thing for the show. The producers asked them to MAKE them something for the show. Not if they could use what was already there.

[griele]

Yet again it DID NOT USE PART OF THE SGW GAME. It used a part of the ENGINE the game is written on. They made a specific little thing for the show. The producers asked them to MAKE them something for the show. Not if they could use what was already there.

I don't know, just goes to show you, the game is finished and they are holding it back from us just so the Hollywood famous big wigs can play with it first. :lol:

The thing I don't get, is that could have been any game. It was on for such a short time, they could have thrown WoW up there and the general public wouldn't have been any the wiser.

[Sarizaddi]

Yet again it DID NOT USE PART OF THE SGW GAME. It used a part of the ENGINE the game is written on. They made a specific little thing for the show. The producers asked them to MAKE them something for the show. Not if they could use what was already there.

They did not use a part of the game, but I seem to remember someone saying that after they created the scene for SGU, they then incorporated the scene into SGW. So like, the scene wasn't in SGW, but it is now.

[xxxRetsopmi]

I don't know, just goes to show you, the game is finished and they are holding it back from us just so the Hollywood famous big wigs can play with it first. :lol:

The thing I don't get, is that could have been any game. It was on for such a short time, they could have thrown WoW up there and the general public wouldn't have been any the wiser.

Game Engine being done don't equal game being done sadly. Just means they had the limited art and animation needed to put it on a screen to pass as a game.

They did not use a part of the game, but I seem to remember someone saying that after they created the scene for SGU, they then incorporated the scene into SGW. So like, the scene wasn't in SGW, but it is now.

Yea think they said they added the puzzle to SGW.

[Slick]

Yea think they said they added the puzzle to SGW.

Wait, they added a puzzle that only the brainiest of the brainiest can solve? That's cheap. We better get a free ride on the Hammond for solving that one.

[griele]

Or rewrite the story line to reflect that Eli isn't that smart and got lucky button mashing.

[Vivacia]

Or make it be completely unrelated to SGU and the only special prize be recoginzing that it is the puzzle. :rolleyes:

[Aszrayel]

Or rewrite the story line to reflect that Eli isn't that smart and got lucky button mashing.

I like that idea :D