Episode 8: Time [Warning - May contain spoilers -Warning]

[griele]

Have it, what did you think of this episode. Me, I found it to be very interesting.

[Savath]

I told you guys Eli was a nerd who doesn't get the girl. I'll probably catch flak for saying it, but I'm glad that the writers wrote him the way they did - it's realistic.

The nerdy guy who over commits just doesn't get the girl in real life - they get friend zoned. And, I figured out the resolution as soon as the first person (of the second timeline) started to die.

In general, not a big fan of time travel episodes, they're by far my least favorite... But that wasn't bad.


ETA: Although I am kind of pissed that they wrote a filler episode, basically a Voyager-esque reset 5 episodes into the series.

[zainea13]

i thought it was really good. I was slightly hoping Chloe would actually just die haha ... I just hope they pick up her character in the high speed!!! So far, she is my least fave... as far as women go I like TJ, and Wray is fine too, shes IOA and she acts like it so that's good. But I won't like the ***** thing, just because it kinda grosses me out... but anyways ... I loved the episode thought it was great, it felt like stargate again, and I liked that...

Secondly, I thought they were saying "this series won't wrap up nicely every hour, and have fine jawed heroes" ... yeah this one ended with them happy, the last few, ended with them telling off the IOA, before that, they got water and were happy, before that, they got sand to fix the air were happy, sounds like it wrapps up nicely to me. And Scott is an attractive man, so a handsome hero he shall be called! lol it's pretty much startgate, with some useless drama and a weird camera angle lol\

but i liked this ep

[Mister B]

I know the focus is supposed to be more on "character drama" for this series, but so far, the character drama has just been... well... bad. Look, I'm all about a dark story, focusing on the human element without a lot of action, but I just don't engage with most of these characters, and I frankly don't care if any of them make it through any given episode, and some of them (Chloe!!) I actually yearn to see die in horrible ways.

The characters I actually care about are Eli, and... well.. I mean there's... well I guess Rush is sort of interesting. And Greer's alright, but a bit of a two dimensional cardboard cutout "tough guy."

As a rule, I dislike time travel in sci-fi, it's invariably filled with plot holes and silly deus ex machina. This ep did nothing to change that opinion.

[Savath]

I rather like Chloe, you guys are crazy. She's behaving like any normal female would.

[zainea13]

the ***** was le s bo

[Mister B]

I rather like Chloe, you guys are crazy. She's behaving like any normal female would.

Really? That's really your position? So, according to you, a "normal" female is whiny, selfish, pushy and stupid? Because, maybe I've just led a rather sheltered life, but my wife, mother, mother-in-law and both sisters would all beg to differ with that definition of "normal female".

She is a spot on representation of a particular sub-set of female, I'll give you that. It's a particular group of which I, for one, am not overly fond.

[Savath]

Really? That's really your position? So, according to you, a "normal" female is whiny, selfish, pushy and stupid? Because, maybe I've just led a rather sheltered life, but my wife, mother, mother-in-law and both sisters would all beg to differ with that definition of "normal female".

She is a spot on representation of a particular sub-set of female, I'll give you that. It's a particular group of which I, for one, am not overly fond.I shouldn't have used the term "normal," so much as "average."

I don't see her as whiny, selfish, pushy and stupid. I saw her whine, although most people would given the situation she was in -- her life revolved around her father, she was a daddy's girl and she worked for him, and he died. I saw her be pushy, but most women are at times. Whether or not she's stupid is a matter of personal opinion, I'd have to see an instance of it.

She acted like a normal, or average 23 year old girl. Imprudent, rash, socially awkward...

[Vivacia]

i thought it was really good. I was slightly hoping Chloe would actually just die haha

and some of them (Chloe!!) I actually yearn to see die in horrible ways.

Same. I smiled when that creature burrowed through her, and then I realized it would be a time travel episode just before the screen changed... *sigh*

I was Upset that James 'died' for a moment before I realized that she was in future episodes. I wish I hadn't read that...
I also did laugh when Eli gave his speech to Chloe and TJ walked over and told him she was dead. I felt bad for Eli, don't get me wrong, but the fact that she dies twice makes me think that even the writers don't like her character! :lol:
I rather like Chloe, you guys are crazy. She's behaving like any normal female would.
I take exception to that for the following reason:

Really? That's really your position? So, according to you, a "normal" female is whiny, selfish, pushy and stupid? Because, maybe I've just led a rather sheltered life, but my wife, mother, mother-in-law and both sisters would all beg to differ with that definition of "normal female".

She is a spot on representation of a particular sub-set of female, I'll give you that. It's a particular group of which I, for one, am not overly fond.

@zainea Yes, we know Camile is a lesbian, it was mentioned online and in a past episode very very lightly. I'm sorry you find her love to be so sickening, but to those of us who are normal, it should make for an interesting story. :cool:

[griele]

I have to agree with Savath on a few things, I think Chloe is behaving like any normal woman like her would, by like her lets look at what I presume she really is. 1. Young, early twenties, we all were self absorbed and acted the same way when we were that age, 2. Well off, her father was a Senator, she is obviously from an upper class family, 3. she worked in the political arena, obviously she hasn't had to do a real days work. I know reality shows aren't really real, but there is a nugget of truth in them and I base my judgement of Chloe off a) the hills, b)super sixteenth birthday or whatever that show is, c)bridezilla, and d)the real housewives of whatever county is hot that week. I know they encourage the people on them to act up, but unless you are really like that, you wouldn't do that knowing it was going to be seen by a lot of people.

I also think Savath hit the nail on the head about Eli. I think he will be stuck in the friend zone. Though, I don't like all the mushy heartfelt stuff, I just don't think that's how it should happen. In my opinion, for now, he should just be there in the back ground, being overly friendly, but not voicing his feelings, about Chloe or at other times like the space bug episode and his rant about not being truthful.

And the lesbian thing doesn't bother me at all.

[Esron]

i did not like this episode at all tbh.
time jumpings like this one and the ending.. this was one of those.. meh... episodes.

[Savath]

zainea13, out of curiousity, how old are you, what's your gender and what is your cultural background that Female-Female (FF) homosexuality grosses you out?

I don't mean to be insulting, but typically -- even women -- aren't "grossed out" by FF relationships, although the many, if not the majority of, men are "grossed out" Male-Male (MM) relationships (and more women, although not significantly, are grossed out by MM than FF relationships).

It's an interesting cultural dichotomy that I've never fully understood, although I'd imagine that the social norms and taboos relating to men cheating on women, versus women cheating on women, and the relative time passed since Western Society in general practiced Polygyny (as recently as 1800 years ago, probably not long enough for a strong taboo to form), versus how recently Polyandry was practiced -- I'm not sure when Polyandry was last practiced, if at all, in Western Society.

[RebelArms]

best episode on SGU in my book so far, lets see whats next :D

[Tanith]

Just out of curiosity those who don't like SGU: What the **** do you want?

There were complaints that the previous episode was too 90210 and that SGU hasn't had enough action or sci-fi elements. Well you can't get much more sci-fi than this episode, there was action and hostile aliens.

The emotional scene between Eli and Chloe when she died reminded me of some of the emotional scenes between O'Neill & Carter in SG-1 where it could bring a tear to your eye but fitted well in the story.

Time travel episodes have been a favourite of mine in all the series and this one isn't any different. If you just treat it as an entertaining episode and not be one of those people who look too deeply into it then you enjoy it more.

For example not being like: Well according to the Grandfather Paradox the Kino would not of been able to of been sent through since if the timeline has been changed then they never would of sent the Kino in the first place. Who cares? just enjoy the episode. Come back and criticise when we master time travel.

[magecu]

This was actually the first episode I somewhat liked.
There was some really good acting from Eli, Rush and the blond medic.

Pretty good episode compared with what we got till now.

Sadly the "dramatic" episode with Chloe. Although I was going how good Eli and the blond medic acted the scene, there was no feeling in it for me. The main reason because there is no attachment to Chloe's character on my part. Also I would feel sorry for Eli if he ended with Chloe.

Non the less it was a nice episode with a lot of information on Eli and Rush.
If they can keep up with such episodes they may even get to something solid in my eyes. :)

[griele]

Tanith, I think you may have stumbled upon something. "We don't want this to be space drama, we want the old SG-1/SGA shoot, shoot, shoot episodes!" and now they have it, they don't like that either. Personally, and I'm not trying to insult anyone specifically, if you feel insulted by what I am going to say, then you must feel it describes you, but there are some people who ***** just to *****. There is no pleasing people like that. SGU is going to be one way or the other, you can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.

[Vivacia]

I don't mean to be insulting, but typically -- even women -- aren't "grossed out" by FF relationships, although the many, if not the majority of, men are "grossed out" Male-Male (MM) relationships (and more women, although not significantly, are grossed out by MM than FF relationships).

It's an interesting cultural dichotomy that I've never fully understood, although I'd imagine that the social norms and taboos relating to men cheating on women, versus women cheating on women, and the relative time passed since Western Society in general practiced Polygyny (as recently as 1800 years ago, probably not long enough for a strong taboo to form), versus how recently Polyandry was practiced -- I'm not sure when Polyandry was last practiced, if at all, in Western Society.
Actually, the thing that 'grosses people out' about male relationships is outdated social taboos against men being under the power of others. This comes from a time (to my mind anyway, I haven't done any research on this) when the goal in America was to own land, a family and be self sufficent. The idea behind all of these being independence.
Another factor is/can be purity. The idea that everything was made for a purpose and straying from said purpose is unclean/distastful/abominable.

Getting back to the topic at hand though...while it may be true that Chloe is acting how a normal person of her upbringing would, that doesn't mean I have to like her or wish that the character continues living. Maybe it's just me but I do find the actress to be rather unexpressive unless her character flys off the handle, but then, maybe I'm just not looking hard enough...

[magecu]

Tanith, I think you may have stumbled upon something. "We don't want this to be space drama, we want the old SG-1/SGA shoot, shoot, shoot episodes!" and now they have it, they don't like that either. Personally, and I'm not trying to insult anyone specifically, if you feel insulted by what I am going to say, then you must feel it describes you, but there are some people who ***** just to *****. There is no pleasing people like that. SGU is going to be one way or the other, you can't have your cake and eat it too, as the saying goes.
Actualy the shooting episodes where the ones that I disliked the most.

I liked the adventure episodes where the team was trying to solve some kind of scientific problem.
Like when Tealc was transforming because of a bug bite, or the one where the sphere with nanobots impaled Jack, Or when they were trying to safe Jonas planet from the naquadria, or the episode in Atlantis when that guy was affecting everyone with is stories, or when mackay was underwater in the puddle jumper.

We are missing that link between the characters and the link to the characters.
Mostly the characters that were portrayed till now are just annoying prats, bickering between themselves. I don't really see how I could grow a strong attachment to anyone like that.

That's why Chloe's death in this episode, felt like oh yeah who cares.
The good thing in this episode was that there was at least some meaningful bonding and that some of the characters opened up a bit, while not becoming even more annoying.

[griele]

Vivicia, I don't like her either, I was just pointing out that I feel that she is being portrayed realistically, at least realistically as I see someone of her upbringing. I think that most of those types of people are usually inexpressive unless throwing a fit about something. Look at the Pratts, unless they are being insipid, baby-like, generally stupid, no one even notices they are there. Something I believe, is that money is taking the place of peoples emotions and common sense, at least for those who have too much money to do them any good.

Mage, so you want them to solve problems and that's it? It seems to me that's what the first few episodes and most of the show is actually about. It just happens to be set in a catastrophic setting that the characters haven't yet been able to exert complete control over their surroundings. Personally, if they wrote the show as "everybody gets along, everyone works together and we have a nice happy ending all tied up in a bow like on Christmas" then I wouldn't want to watch it, there is too much of that going around TV already. I like the grit, I like the suspense of what is going to happen between two people who can't get along. I like to see a reflection of what the state of the world in my television entertainment, because if you look around the world, we are all the same, all stuck in the same global crises' yet we can't seem to get along. Maybe, just maybe if we could see ourselves reflected through a TV series maybe the next time someone wants to shoot someone else because they wore the wrong shirt or pronounced a word the wrong way, they may think twice. But that's just me, and we are all polishing brass on the Titanic anyway.

[magecu]

Vivicia, I don't like her either, I was just pointing out that I feel that she is being portrayed realistically, at least realistically as I see someone of her upbringing. I think that most of those types of people are usually inexpressive unless throwing a fit about something. Look at the Pratts, unless they are being insipid, baby-like, generally stupid, no one even notices they are there. Something I believe, is that money is taking the place of peoples emotions and common sense, at least for those who have too much money to do them any good.
Pratts?

Mage, so you want them to solve problems and that's it? It seems to me that's what the first few episodes and most of the show is actually about. It just happens to be set in a catastrophic setting that the characters haven't yet been able to exert complete control over their surroundings. Personally, if they wrote the show as "everybody gets along, everyone works together and we have a nice happy ending all tied up in a bow like on Christmas" then I wouldn't want to watch it, there is too much of that going around TV already. I like the grit, I like the suspense of what is going to happen between two people who can't get along. I like to see a reflection of what the state of the world in my television entertainment, because if you look around the world, we are all the same, all stuck in the same global crises' yet we can't seem to get along. Maybe, just maybe if we could see ourselves reflected through a TV series maybe the next time someone wants to shoot someone else because they wore the wrong shirt or pronounced a word the wrong way, they may think twice. But that's just me, and we are all polishing brass on the Titanic anyway.
If they actually showed them as the bad guys I would agree with you.
But they are trying to portray that that kind of behavior is normal and "acceptable" (at least to a point). And when people argue that the characters are annoying and not likable, they trow a fit on how their grandparents are being hurt by all the negativity.
Yes I agree with them that the way people say it is wrong, but that doesn't change that most of the characters on the show are people I would actively avoid in real life.

As for there being enough sci-fi shows with happy endings and people working together, just tell me one that is currently aired, or that was aired since the end of SGA, or that is being under production currently.

I personally think that if shows showed that people can work together and that peopel can be nice to each other, there would be less bickering about things like race, sexual orientation, religion and other such things.
Yes Startrek did it to cheesy, because they tried to over emphasize it and "teach" about it.

As for dealing with hard topics, I think that Babylon 5 did a far better job than SGU did.

Also I cough Hells kitchen today, probably part of the reason why I am a bit more annoyed by this topic today.
And the feeling I got from it was that people just want drama and tension and something to make them feel like their life is not that bad compared to what is on TV.

From that point of view SGU could be successful and I do hope that they find their target audience.
But that's not what SG was about. Still it's their right to change it, they just shouldn't expect that the same audience that liked SG1 and SGA will follow and like SGU.

Anyway again I liked this episode, especially the parts where Eli and Rush talked, Eli's monologues, the comments that they were making while watching the video and the acting of Eli and the blond medic in the medical ward.

I found disappointing the monologue of the young soldier (knight in shining armor), partialy because of bad acting.

Still if they keep that level of quality I may even find it nice to watch. :D

[griele]

The Pratt's(Heidi and Spencer -better known as Speidi) are the "stars" of The Hills and an all around stupid and annoying set of celebutaunts. They were on "I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here" with Lou Diamond Phillips. They think that because they are on TV and have some money that they can dictate how the world is, at least when they are around. I didn't look at your location close enough to realize you aren't from the USA, where you can't turn around without hearing something about the Pratts.

As for sci-fi shows that are all happy feely, I don't watch many sci-fi shows, my tastes are too varied to limit myself to one genre, I just meant TV shows in general, at least here in the states. To me, it seems the TV producers and executives here like to dumb down TV so everyone understands. Unfortunately, my cable provider doesn't include any overseas channels, we don't even get BBC, at least at the price range I can afford anyway. I don't agree with you that everyone wants drama, in my opinion they want to see people behaving badly to one another, ergo, Gordon Ramsey and Simon Cowell on American Idol(don't know if you get that over there). There is a difference between acting out of control and drama. Drama isn't always intentional, like the love triangle between Scott, Chloe, and Eli. I don't think Chloe has any idea how Eli feels about her, and is simply pursuing her feelings for Scott. To me, that is realistic, been there myself even. Nope, didn't get the girl because every time she was single, I would wait for the right time to tell her. It happens. But to put yourself on a TV show to get yelled at and cussed out, who in real life does that. I have been fired from good paying jobs because my boss wanted to yell at me and I would have no part of it. Of course, I believe that since we were both grown men, instead of yelling at me, he should have talked and discussed the problem.

Again, though, that's my two cents.

[Mageborn]

I enjoyed this show but i do get the same feeling as Magecu regarding not feeling for some of the characters. I think in a show that is so obviously drama based we should have some feeling towards characters (love or hate) but theres some that im just not having anything for at the moment. Chloe is one, i see what they are trying to do with her but i dont really care about her at all. Eli and the medic this episode was great and the reactions from the people (apart from the soldier scott guy) was done well when they were all watching the emotional scenes and was done really well. There wasnt any scenes i didnt like in regards to drama this week but Scott's acting in some bits didnt feel genuin which i will admit was the first time this has happenes this season and honestly i cant think of the last time i watched a show and thought it was bad acting (im easily pleased)

All in all a good episode, the ending was a bit meh but was obvious from near the middle lol. I liked the way the aliens were done, pretty straight forward predator with no sign of close to human intelligiance so cant be a big bad later one but pretty bad *** as they are. The scenes were Chloe died the first time were brilliantly done and i wasnt expecting it at all.

I hope people that havnt enjoyed the show so far watched this episode as i thought it was really well done.

[magecu]

The Pratt's(Heidi and Spencer -better known as Speidi) are the "stars" of The Hills and an all around stupid and annoying set of celebutaunts. They were on "I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here" with Lou Diamond Phillips. They think that because they are on TV and have some money that they can dictate how the world is, at least when they are around. I didn't look at your location close enough to realize you aren't from the USA, where you can't turn around without hearing something about the Pratts.
I see so it's a local thing. :P
Didn't knew anything about it and have to admit it feels quite alien. :D

As for sci-fi shows that are all happy feely, I don't watch many sci-fi shows, my tastes are too varied to limit myself to one genre, I just meant TV shows in general, at least here in the states. To me, it seems the TV producers and executives here like to dumb down TV so everyone understands.
True, but I have that opinion of oversimplified TV about SGU too.
For the most part it felt like they were just trying to feel controversial.

As for genre I also try not to limit myself just to one genre, although I did get addicted to Scifi (watched a lot of documentaries as child, the Italian Quark show was great).
But my varied tastes mainly show in anime and manga.
Although Bored to death looks quite interesting.

Unfortunately, my cable provider doesn't include any overseas channels, we don't even get BBC, at least at the price range I can afford anyway. I don't agree with you that everyone wants drama, in my opinion they want to see people behaving badly to one another, ergo, Gordon Ramsey and Simon Cowell on American Idol(don't know if you get that over there). There is a difference between acting out of control and drama.
Well I often equal "drama (as a pejorative term)" and behaving badly to one another.
But yeah you are right about that.
The thing is I don't see much real drama in SGU, just a lot of people behaving stupidly. :(
If they took a moment to think it over, many of their problems wouldn't have ever even happened.

Drama isn't always intentional, like the love triangle between Scott, Chloe, and Eli. I don't think Chloe has any idea how Eli feels about her, and is simply pursuing her feelings for Scott.

And this is another thing I find annoying. I understand that it may be normal and that it may happen to many poeple, it's just that I don't see those things Eli is praising in Chloe.

Also it feels like Eli is just yearning about Chloe, acting on attraction not on real love. How could you really love someone that doesn't find you interesting and attractive. It just shows a low compatibility.
Also how could you really fall in love with someone in such a shot time, knowing so little about them. Knowing ewnough a person to really love them takes months if they are not very shallow.

There are so many thing that are important for love. Ranging from personal views on the world, to small things like a food that the person don't like, speech patterns, gesticulation, body odor, compatibility in bed, physical characteristic, mannerisms, various, how the person perceives you, what attracts and what repels the other person and so on.
There are so much such things that it would actually take months before finding out enough the other person and showing enough of yourself.
Not to mention that almost all persons project a fake identity in front of them and it takes time to peal the layers of.
In such a short time I can't think of anything else than simple attraction, a base feeling telling you that the other person is a possible mate, an instinct for reproduction that can be used as a help to find the right person.

Because of that, Eli's feeling that they are trying to portray for Cloe, just feel like an infatuation, and the dramatization around it feel unnatural, miss-directed and cheapens even more whatever they have.

Also there were not shown any real redeeming points for Chloe till now, except having a "hot" body under the shower and being easy/having ### just after knowing someone for a couple of days. If those can even be called redeeming points. :P

To me, that is realistic, been there myself even. Nope, didn't get the girl because every time she was single, I would wait for the right time to tell her. It happens. But to put yourself on a TV show to get yelled at and cussed out, who in real life does that. I have been fired from good paying jobs because my boss wanted to yell at me and I would have no part of it. Of course, I believe that since we were both grown men, instead of yelling at me, he should have talked and discussed the problem.

Again, though, that's my two cents.

Well what can I say some people are just annoying, and there is little you can do with them. The best choice is to get as far away from them and find a collective where you can actually be as much yourself as you can.
Sadly that's not always possible.:(

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@mageborne:
Agreed this was the first episode I really enjoyed and I felt it was done pretty well. Yeah a few thing were not perfect, but that could be improved.
I just hope this won't be just a briliant moment in the show and nothing more.

[zainea13]

@zainea Yes, we know Camile is a lesbian, it was mentioned online and in a past episode very very lightly. I'm sorry you find her love to be so sickening, but to those of us who are normal, it should make for an interesting story. :cool:

I didn't say i found it so sickening... i just said it kinda grosses me out... that's totally different... a lot of things kinda gross me out that other poeple have no problem with ... But, its not so much them being les-bians its more, that they are most likely giong to make out in the show... which will just be thrown in there for the "OMG" effect... which has been overused and no one really cares about anymore

[zainea13]

zainea13, out of curiousity, how old are you, what's your gender and what is your cultural background that Female-Female (FF) homosexuality grosses you out?

I don't mean to be insulting, but typically -- even women -- aren't "grossed out" by FF relationships, although the many, if not the majority of, men are "grossed out" Male-Male (MM) relationships (and more women, although not significantly, are grossed out by MM than FF relationships).

It's an interesting cultural dichotomy that I've never fully understood, although I'd imagine that the social norms and taboos relating to men cheating on women, versus women cheating on women, and the relative time passed since Western Society in general practiced Polygyny (as recently as 1800 years ago, probably not long enough for a strong taboo to form), versus how recently Polyandry was practiced -- I'm not sure when Polyandry was last practiced, if at all, in Western Society.

I'm 19, male, attend the University of Akron in my second year going for a BA in economics and should graduate fall 2011.... there you go,

my cultural background that relates to this, i didn't even know homosexuality existed until i was probably 10 or so? I dont really remember... So by then I had already formed in my head that guys like girls and girls like guys and that's just how it is.... then there's that whole conception thing... don't get me wrong, I not a homophobe, I have gay friends. Gay people are normal people too, i like them they are fine (and don't yell at me for saying they, if a gay person called straight people "they," i wouldn't give a rats ***) But when I do hang out with gay people, they usually don't make out in front of me, which I don't want to see straight people making out in front of me either... But, gay people just gross me out a little more... it's not really that big of a deal... call me whatever for being honest... I'm not going to go cause hate crimes or even make fun of a gay person, it's not like they affect my life really. so ... yeah... to gay poeple out there... do what you love to do! thats what i do in my life, so they can in theres...

[griele]

Mage, I think the same way as you do about love, but not everyone does. Eli was stating in his diatribe that he never even had a real best friend, from that I would infer he never had a girlfriend then. So, while I may take months to fall in love with a woman now, when I was first starting out dating and getting into relationships, I didn't. I think Eli is seeing an opportunity to have a hot girlfriend, because let's face it, there aren't that many early twenty-somethings on the Destiny. Most should fall into the thirty and forty something range. I say that because when I was in the military, most of the civilian employee's and contractors were older than me. Government agencies usually don't hire young people to work on highly secret projects. Notice I said usually, there is the occasional genius or nepotism type that gets picked up. Also, some people have no problem sleeping with someone they just met, one night stands do happen. I personally don't really like Chloe either, but that is based on a stereotype of what I see her character being.

As for feeling for all the character, I don't think it is necessary to have opinions on all the characters. To me, it's just like life, there are people you like, there are people you hate, and there are people who are just there. I tend to put people in the just there column until they prove to be worth being in the like column. Of course, most just stay there. There are a lot of characters we haven't even met yet from the looks of the little meetings that Young has every so often.

[magecu]

Mage, I think the same way as you do about love, but not everyone does. Eli was stating in his diatribe that he never even had a real best friend, from that I would infer he never had a girlfriend then. So, while I may take months to fall in love with a woman now, when I was first starting out dating and getting into relationships, I didn't. I think Eli is seeing an opportunity to have a hot girlfriend, because let's face it, there aren't that many early twenty-somethings on the Destiny. Most should fall into the thirty and forty something range. I say that because when I was in the military, most of the civilian employee's and contractors were older than me. Government agencies usually don't hire young people to work on highly secret projects. Notice I said usually, there is the occasional genius or nepotism type that gets picked up. Also, some people have no problem sleeping with someone they just met, one night stands do happen. I personally don't really like Chloe either, but that is based on a stereotype of what I see her character being.

As for feeling for all the character, I don't think it is necessary to have opinions on all the characters. To me, it's just like life, there are people you like, there are people you hate, and there are people who are just there. I tend to put people in the just there column until they prove to be worth being in the like column. Of course, most just stay there. There are a lot of characters we haven't even met yet from the looks of the little meetings that Young has every so often.


Well in general I would agree with all that. :D

The thing is that I personally don't enjoy watching "realistic" shows, if we could even call them that.

I do like the smart shows (very rare bread) and the shows I can have fun with. As for dramatic realistic shows/movies, we have quite the tradition of that in our country. Some pretty hard movies to watch with quite realistic or sometimes slightly exaggerated human dramas. Not to mention the books and short stories. Very depressing literature and cinematography.
And we had to go trough those things at school.

[griele]

Perhaps I should check out the Slovenian television channels. See, here in America, it seems that on at least one channel out of the hundreds, there is always an unrealistic crime drama show on. CSI, NCIS, Law and Order, 24 hours a day you can catch one of these shows. The other big trends here are either to dumb the shows down with a happy good for everyone ending, or reality game shows, two types of show I can't stand. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a good show where the underdog lovable loser wins the girl, saves the day and lives happily ever after once in a while, but that's all that American TV and cinema want to show. That and horror movies. Really, who releases a horror movie for Christmas or Valentines day.

So, I guess we just enjoy a different type of show based on the nationally televised shows from our respective countries.

[Imrahil]

Well then, I just finished watching the Show.

What should I say?
Maybe the main problem the obvious critics have is this: this Episode was a step in the right direction, but a step doesn't mean going the whole way.
And maybe I'm just afraid that they will go back and still further out to this "new style".

And just one thing that confused me on the technical side: what does a solar flare do?
In the first two episode with time travel (SG-1 "1969" and "2010") they end up back on their point of origin.
In Stargate Continuum and SGA "The last Man" SG-1 and John Sheppard end up on the OTHER side of the wormhole.
So what is it now: same place, different time or different place, different time? ;)

Well then, to sum it up: I almost didn't watch this episode.
I really asked myself "Do I really want to?", but after seeing it I will definitely watch the next episode.
They just regained at least some credit in my opinion.
Imrahil

[Vivacia]

And just one thing that confused me on the technical side: what does a solar flare do?
In the first two episode with time travel (SG-1 "1969" and "2010") they end up back on their point of origin.
In Stargate Continuum and SGA "The last Man" SG-1 and John Sheppard end up on the OTHER side of the wormhole.
So what is it now: same place, different time or different place, different time? ;)

Rush mentioned in this Episode that sometimes a solar flare causes the wormhole to loop back around, which I would presume adresses this issue.

As to your other points, yes yes we get that you don't like the way the series is done, get in line. ;)

[magecu]

Perhaps I should check out the Slovenian television channels. See, here in America, it seems that on at least one channel out of the hundreds, there is always an unrealistic crime drama show on. CSI, NCIS, Law and Order, 24 hours a day you can catch one of these shows. The other big trends here are either to dumb the shows down with a happy good for everyone ending, or reality game shows, two types of show I can't stand. Don't get me wrong, I do enjoy a good show where the underdog lovable loser wins the girl, saves the day and lives happily ever after once in a while, but that's all that American TV and cinema want to show. That and horror movies. Really, who releases a horror movie for Christmas or Valentines day.
Well we do get those here too, but I just can't swallow those shows.
Yes maybe I get a peak at one of them any so often (say once every two months or so), but I just can't watch them.
Although Monk and Numbers did tickle my curiosity. :D

As for Slovenian movies, I think some are even translated to Englinsh, although not sure.

Some "big" names are:
Kajmak in marmelada (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0333701/)
Outsider (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0117273/)
And a recent one:
Slovenka (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1224373/)

The movies often depict troubled situations.
Btw I have a bit of a peeve with Slovenka, but that's another story. ;)

So, I guess we just enjoy a different type of show based on the nationally televised shows from our respective countries.

I guess it's the case. :)
But I think I may be hungry for more real drama if I was constantly bombarded with only the kind of shows, like CSI and such.

On the other hand I doubt I would settle with SGU as it feels just as pretending at trying to be deeper, but in reality most of the time being just as shallow as the other shows.
I had the same problem with BSG, it felt like one of those people that pretend to be smart. Although I do admit it had some good highlights.
And I quite liked BGS's ending.

Same for games, there are very few that I really enjoy their story.
I liked a lot MGS1,2,3, had a few really nice dialogs. MGS2 ending was great, I really liked how the creators pretended that they were talking to Raiden, but in reality their almost monologue was aimed directly at the player, with the questions from Raiden being the simple questions that almost everyone asks themselves when thinking about those topics (almost like questions from a child).

Assassins creed was quite nice too, yet it was still to much pretending to be deep. Still there were some nice elements in there too. Also reading Alamut beforehand was quite a helpful thing, quite a nice book I recommend it for certain. Alamut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alamut_%281938_novel%29)is again a Slovenian book, but set in the middle east and the author Vladimir Bartol (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Bartol) put a lot of effort in researching material for it.

[Ellipsis]

Well, my personal two cents is that, in essence, SGU is to SG-1 as Torchwood is to Doctor Who, to borrow an analogy from the BBC. SGU is a darker, more mature show, that nevertheless takes place in the same universe as SG-1, with some crossover appearances and similar elements.

I personally rather like SGU, it's shaping up to be a good series that is still able to stand apart from other SG series, as opposed to SGA, which was a spinoff of SG-1, and involved pretty much the same concepts, exploring and fighting the big intergalactic bad guy. However, SGU is completely different. It's about a group of people who are really not supposed to be in the situation they're in, and are doing the best they can to survive. To use my analogy again, Doctor Who is about a guy and his plucky assistant traveling around the universe and screwing around, while Torchwood is basically about a top-notch team kicking *** and taking names, with some shared characters and villains between the shows. Torchwood is a standalone show, much like SGU.

People shouldn't talk about SGU and say, "Oh, it's not Stargate". It's a good show, regardless. What more do you want?

[Vivacia]

I like that analogy quite a bit actually. In both cases the original show was rather light hearted and everything works out in the end whereas SGU/TW the problems faced are much more of a human nature concern then Good Vs. Evil

People shouldn't say "Oh, it's not Stargate" yet they do because people around here are here specificly because they are fans of the original show. And people as a general rule shy away from change. That's why the Elderly always have a 'When I was your age...' story tucked away and ready to tell you.
That's right, all of you who don't like SGU are OLD!! :P

[Ellipsis]

I don't understand why people say "It's not Stargate" and expect people to dislike the show because of it. Stargate is not the end-all be-all of TV shows. I'm perfectly happy to say it, SGU is not the same kind of show as previous Stargate series, and I'm also perfectly happy to say that SGU is a good show, and people should watch it.

If you think anything that isn't like SG-1 isn't a good show, then you're being really intolerant. It is possible for a show to not be like SG-1 and still be good.

[magecu]

I don't understand why people say "It's not Stargate" and expect people to dislike the show because of it. Stargate is not the end-all be-all of TV shows. I'm perfectly happy to say it, SGU is not the same kind of show as previous Stargate series, and I'm also perfectly happy to say that SGU is a good show, and people should watch it.

If you think anything that isn't like SG-1 isn't a good show, then you're being really intolerant. It is possible for a show to not be like SG-1 and still be good.
Yes absolutely and B5 is a prime example of that.

But that doesn't mean that to anyone who was strongly attached to the previous two series SGU it does look like a Stargate show.

It's like you were regularly going to a restaurant, been buying cake-1 and cake:A for the past 10+ years and then you see on the menu cake:U, but no cake-1 or cake:A. You order cake:U and get an undercooked stake but with the same arrangement (skin :P) as cake-1 and cake:A, just with other ingredients.
And then when you point out that the cake:U isn't sweet, that is not like cake-1 or cake:A, that it's undercooked and too bitter and salty, the chefs say that he is trying something new with cake and that the cake is great and your opinion is just wrong.

Well that's not cake, I mean Stargate in my opinion. :D

[Ellipsis]

There's a problem with that analogy, mainly that when you say cake:U is bitter and salty and undercooked, it implies that no-one else likes it. So, let's say that cake:U has a different blend of sugars and spices and ingredaments, and you don't like that blend of ingredaments. It doesn't really matter at that point, because other people do like cake:U, and are willing to buy it. So, if you don't like cake:U, you can always choose not to buy it, and buy something else instead. There are bound to be plenty of other delicious pastries out there. *cough*cake:West Wing*cough*

[magecu]

There's a problem with that analogy, mainly that when you say cake:U is bitter and salty and undercooked, it implies that no-one else likes it.
No actually it doesn't. I have stated many times over that I hope SGU will be successful and that the new public will enjoy it.

And same goes for the cake:U, I do believe there are more than enough people out there that enjoy undercooked stakes.

It's just that when someone gives me a stake when under the name of cake, I just get annoyed and tell them that is not what I wanted.

That doesn't mean that some new customers will not actually come and enjoy the new menu. But it's to be expected when such a change in menu is made many old costumers will protest about it and that there is a good chance of losing a significant portion of them.

And who wouldn't be bitter when their favorite kind of cake is discontinued.
For example I was very annoyed when they stopped producing Kinderlada, a nutela like cream.

Or when we started getting a different nutela flavor.
Yes Ferrero has different flavors for different market groups, still named the same and packed like the same, just slightly different flavors.
Some marketing mumbo-jumbo about products optimized for the local taste.

Again I believe it's normal for people to protest about something if they don't like, especially if it was marketed to them.
But at the same time it doesn't mean than new people won't come along and enjoy the show.

If you are really annoyed because people are bashing the show, the best in my opinions not antagonize them, but let them vent the feeling of betrayal they experienced and wait that they move on.
Yes that may lower that amount of buzz around thew show, but it would make it faster for the bashing to subside.

[Tanith]

It's just that when someone gives me a stake when under the name of cake, I just get annoyed and tell them that is not what I wanted.

Following that analogy then months before the menu was changed it was announced that a change would be made and that the new product on the menu would be different from what's already on it. And regular updates with more information on the change were made.

It was announced long before SGU aired that it would be different from its predecessors but then when it aired it got people complaining that it was different from its predecessors and were surprised that it was different.

We all were given advanced warning of the change.

[Tanith]

Thats unlikely to happen though, when SG-1 ended they stated that they would never want to return to doing 2 shows at the same time again.

edit: what's up with quick reply? this post was made after the one below.

[magecu]

Following that analogy then months before the menu was changed it was announced that a change would be made and that the new product on the menu would be different from what's already on it.

It was announced long before SGU aired that it would be different from its predecessors but then when it aired it got people complaining that it was different from its predecessors.

We all were given advanced warning of the change.
We were and I had a feeling that things will turn out like that, I hoped they wouldn't, but they did (still if they will be able to keep the show at least at the level of episode 8 I wont mind that much).

But it doesn't matter that we were warned, I never said it was a problem of warning. The problem is that took away the old option we had and gave a new one that is quite a lot different from the old one.

There are only two ways to let the companies know what we want and what we don't want.
One is to just not buy. But that could be interpreted as the entire line of products is not liked. In SG's case that could be interpreted as Sci-fi shows or the SG franchise as entire is not liked.
In that case it could easily mean we won't have any chance of getting the product we wanted.

The other option is to say what we don't like and what we do.
And that's the case with the bashing here. Yes in some situations is done in a childish and immature way, something I don't agree at all with. After all childish bashing just devalues the argument.
But still expressing the dissatisfaction is the only way to tell them, that we would still enjoy the old type of SG and that the new type of SG is not to the liking of "our group".

Now it's up to the creators of the show, to decide to abandon us and move to better pastures, to try to satisfy us and return to the origin, or maybe try both.

I personally wouldn't mind at all a second SG series, that was more akin to the old series. And obviously at the same time keeping SGU to cater to the new public the creators were looking for.

[griele]

Maybe the could start a new series called SG-2 and have it follow a different SG team. The only problem I see with that, is then people may complain, it's the right story, but the wrong characters. We want Jack O'Niell, Carter, Jackson and Teal'c. Not Major Joe Smith, Clinton, Jefferson and (insert crazy alien name here because I can't think of one). There were dozens of teams, but only one of each main character, and to think that on each team there was one leader who would judiciously decide to disobey orders, one military scientist who always figured out the technology, one civilian archeologist who could decipher any form of language, and one alien trying to be human even though his race shows no emotions, humor or weaknesses. I'm sorry to say the show that I think you want, is SG-1, and they can only take it so far anymore.

I'm beginning to think I should just put this in my signature line: "Again, that's just my two cents."

[Vivacia]

. I'm sorry to say the show that I think you want, is SG-1, and they can only take it so far anymore.
That is indeed the crux of the matter. People are frustrated because SGU doesn't capture (or attept to capture like SGA) the feel of SG1.


Now it's up to the creators of the show, to decide to abandon us and move to better pastures(SGU), to try to satisfy us and return to the origin(Movies), or maybe try both(SGA).
In bold is what I imagine you're talking about.
That's not fair at all. They bled SG1 dry trying to serve the fans and honestly I don't think it went all that well. Then they continued to bleed the formula with SGA and again, it didn't go all that well. SGU is differant yes. And some people are upset yes. But not everyone, not even the majority. It's just that those who feel 'betrayed' are the most vocal, while those of us who enjoy it try and ignore them for the most part.

If you are really annoyed because people are bashing the show, the best in my opinions not antagonize them, but let them vent the feeling of betrayal they experienced and wait that they move on.
So those who don't like the show should be allowed to say whatever they want without rebuttal? If someone has an opinion, someone else will have a counteropinion and it is no good to anyone if the negatives have all the say without any kind of feedback.
Now I know it's stupid to tell someone who voices valid opinions to go to ****, but by the same tokken, all of these "SGU is ****" "SGU=Fail" threads deserve nothing less.

[HadesFLG3]

Following that analogy then months before the menu was changed it was announced that a change would be made and that the new product on the menu would be different from what's already on it. And regular updates with more information on the change were made.

It was announced long before SGU aired that it would be different from its predecessors but then when it aired it got people complaining that it was different from its predecessors and were surprised that it was different.

We all were given advanced warning of the change.
The problem here is: they added the "Stargate" name to it.

[Vivacia]

The problem here is: they added the "Stargate" name to it.

It's not like it's some seperate entity that just stole the Stargate name and has nothing to do with the first two series! It takes place in the same universe! That big circular thing that spins around from time to time? Should they call it something else? Perhaps a Circle of Wet?

They added the Stargate name because it is still Stargate. It doesn't follow the original formula of three humans and an alien go out on a new adventure every episode and save the day through unnatural cunning and luck but the problems faced are still of a stargate nature, we just get to see a little deeper into the characters lives. Huge change from SG1/A wherein the characters were almost two dimensional in scope I know.

[magecu]

Maybe the could start a new series called SG-2 and have it follow a different SG team. The only problem I see with that, is then people may complain, it's the right story, but the wrong characters. We want Jack O'Niell, Carter, Jackson and Teal'c. Not Major Joe Smith, Clinton, Jefferson and (insert crazy alien name here because I can't think of one). There were dozens of teams, but only one of each main character, and to think that on each team there was one leader who would judiciously decide to disobey orders, one military scientist who always figured out the technology, one civilian archeologist who could decipher any form of language, and one alien trying to be human even though his race shows no emotions, humor or weaknesses. I'm sorry to say the show that I think you want, is SG-1, and they can only take it so far anymore.

I'm beginning to think I should just put this in my signature line: "Again, that's just my two cents."
I would have preferred if they continued with SGA.
SG-1 run it's course, where SGA felt rushed and left a lot of questions unanswered.

I wouldn't even mind a new show, but with a new show it takes a few seasons before the characters become as loved as the original ones.
It took about 2-3 seasons for people to love the SGA characters as much.

Same would have happened with ST:Enterprise. But they rushed for ratings, split the synergy of the team (just like is split in SGU) and the result was one of the most hated ST shows. :(
Where I think it was the show that had the highest chance to be more widely attractive. :(

[HadesFLG3]

There are no Aliens this time...

People who don't like the new show expected to see at least the half part of the elements that made the Stargate series since the past 12 years, such as adventuring into new worlds, meeting new races, friend or foe alike, solving puzzles, and learning new technologies that would allow them to survive and overcome newer challenges as they rise.

Right now, what we've seen in SGU is a rare mix of soap operas and Big Brother, with elements from another sci-fi and drama series completely out of place for a show with the "Stargate" name on it.

[magecu]

In bold is what I imagine you're talking about.
That's not fair at all. They bled SG1 dry trying to serve the fans and honestly I don't think it went all that well. Then they continued to bleed the formula with SGA and again, it didn't go all that well. SGU is differant yes. And some people are upset yes. But not everyone, not even the majority. It's just that those who feel 'betrayed' are the most vocal, while those of us who enjoy it try and ignore them for the most part.

Actualy I meant:
1: Just go with SGU as it started.
2: Move SGU toward the standard SG patter (I don't think it's a good idea)
3: Start a second show about SG, while also running SGU

So those who don't like the show should be allowed to say whatever they want without rebuttal? If someone has an opinion, someone else will have a counteropinion and it is no good to anyone if the negatives have all the say without any kind of feedback.
Now I know it's stupid to tell someone who voices valid opinions to go to ****, but by the same tokken, all of these "SGU is ****" "SGU=Fail" threads deserve nothing less.

I didn't mean that. And I agree that how some state their opinion is outright rude.

I just wanted to say that by not responding to the ones protesting, things would calm down the fastest. They would quickly realize they don't mater and that it's worthless to argue about it, and they would then simply move on.

[Tanith]

There are no Aliens this time...
You did watch the episode this topic is about right?

such as adventuring into new worlds, meeting new races, friend or foe alike, solving puzzles, and learning new technologies that would allow them to survive and overcome newer challenges as they rise.

So essentially they want SGU to be Star Trek?

kk Captain Young & Commander Rush leading the USS Destiny to explore strange new worlds; to seek out new life and new civilizations; to boldly go where no man has gone before.

[Imrahil]

So essentially they want SGU to be Star Trek?
So essentially: no!
Until this episode everything we got was essentially BSG mixed with Beverly Hills 90210 and a lot of "Oh my god we're so busted!".
As I mentioned above: imo we got a little (all so tiny) bit of the original Stargate feeling in this Episode.
Strange Aliens, some Problem that can be solved by gatetravel, you know... ... ... ... just Stargate!

It's not THAT hard...

And besides: someone mentioned that there's enough scifi out there, where exactly?
I'd be glad for everything :D
Imrahil

[griele]

I would like to point out, technically, most of the people that SG-1 and SGA met were humans, and strangely enough we humans look like the Ancients. Personally, I don't call the replicators an alien species, so in all they met what a handful of different species.

[Ellipsis]

I just wanted to say that by not responding to the ones protesting, things would calm down the fastest. They would quickly realize they don't mater and that it's worthless to argue about it, and they would then simply move on.

John Kerry decided not to respond to the Swift Boaters in '04, and he lost the election.

Deciding not to respond is not always the best scenario.

[TheSpartan]

Those alien creatures in this ep was like a g'ouald on steroids, i was hoping for somthing more than that, i'm sure they will bring in better aliens though

[Tanith]

for me TIME is when the show starts taking off...next week is especially strong for several of the actors

wasn't "Time" trippy? Cool writing, great VFX. Must watch again. Reminds me of my surreal Costa Rican Adventure sans divas

What do you think of "Time"? By far, my favorite episode of the first half :)!!!!!

Just some cast opinions.

[SnoWolfe]

answer to last episode

http://stargate-sg1-solutions.com/blog/2009/11/kino-18-webisode-solves-time/

[Keldran]

I still want them all to die - and I'm glad that I got to see them do it, even if they did later time-travel themselves out of it.

I still can't empathise with these characters who generally come off as a bunch of surly brats.

I'm also surprised they pulled out time-travel so soon in the series. I know they wanted to name the early episodes by elements (itself a bit dinky) but time-travel is generally used sparingly in sci-fi and I think its use so soon was a mistake. I think this is especially so considering that their goal in including all the blighted melodrama is to appeal to a broader audience, i.e. not just sci-fi lovers.

[griele]

You're right, all that complaining they do, all the drama, they sure are a bunch of surly brats. Wait, you were talking about the characters weren't you. For a second there I thought, well, never mind, it's not important.

[Tanith]

IGN's review of 'Time': http://uk.tv.ign.com/articles/104/1045367p1.html

[ColonelJax]

I think ultimately what I enjoyed about it is, you could see some what of the same concept taking place on SG1. So it brought some of the feel back, I could just imagine Carter rambling on in her sexy fashion about how it's all possible and all that jazz.

[bushwacka666]

I enjoyed this episode; definitely felt more like "classic Stargate" than any other ep so far. (And when I say that, I should point out I've never had any problems with the direction SGU's taking - I've enjoyed every ep thus far). I particularly enjoyed the chat about families between Eli and TJ; just something about the scene held me well.

I might be way off-base here, but I just can't help shake this feeling that Rush may be an Ancient. :o

[magecu]

I might be way off-base here, but I just can't help shake this feeling that Rush may be an Ancient. :o
Well that or he believes his loved one ascended and is searching a way to ascend himself.

[Dr.Love]

Well that or he believes his loved one ascended and is searching a way to ascend himself.

Or maybe, he's got a bug stuck inside his ear, and the only way to get it out is to dematerialize his body?

:D

[griele]

Or maybe he's and acnient who has a gou'ld in him that was once an Ori prior that joined the Lucien Alliance. Hmmm.

[bushwacka666]

Well that or he believes his loved one ascended and is searching a way to ascend himself.

Yeah, or that. I think it's plausible.

[Sarizaddi]

I don't think his loved one ascended. I think she died. But i think he's come some idea in his head that either by ascending that he can bring her back, or he suffers from a displaced altruistic goal of learning the process of ascension so humans don't ever have to die, that they can ascend instead and no one ever loses anybody. Either way, yes, ascension is some part of his life goal.

[griele]

So, wouldn't ascension basically be like going to heaven? Leave all those who haven't ascended on Earth(or whatever planet you are from) and go live in another plane of existence with all those who have gone before you. Sounds pretty similar to me.

[magecu]

So, wouldn't ascension basically be like going to heaven? Leave all those who haven't ascended on Earth(or whatever planet you are from) and go live in another plane of existence with all those who have gone before you. Sounds pretty similar to me.

Well the analogy I think was intentional.

BTW did you follow SG before SGU?
Because there were a lot more analogies of the type.
Like the Gods vs Deamons in the Ori story arch and so on.

[griele]

I have followed the SG franchise for many years, I was just trying to be humorous.

[magecu]

I have followed the SG franchise for many years, I was just trying to be humorous.

I apologize I misunderstood.

It was just something so obvious in the previous series, that I didn't expect it from an old follower, where it would be a normal question for someone new to the franchise.

Again my apologies.

[griele]

No need to apologize, I was trying to come off noobish.

[Brook]

I got annoyed at the end. Stupid cut off.....>_< and to top it off they added the ending in the online content. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vte7LMnYV10

So, if you wanted to know....however I just finished watching and it still leaves the same gaps.

[magecu]

Interesting, never got around watching those web-eps.
Although this one felt a lot like a standard data dump.