Predict the poll - Balancing the Unas

Jayna · 07-19-2006, 11:01 AM

I can look into the future as it is now and see "human" host vs "unas" host and see the vast gulf between the two.

Everyone is going to want to play the golden clothed system lord wannabe or the ancient tech reading scientist human hosted goa'uld.

Who is going to pick the strong yet not very adaptable Unas. I mean they almost completely abandoned them as hosts when they found humans

Lets take the poll first then see if there really is a problem then we can go about balancing the Unas.

Fox Malkaris · 07-19-2006, 11:31 AM

Balancing? thats easy...

Tuari host: same attributes as other Tuari. The "jack of all trades, but master of none" type race.

Unas host: dumb as a lamp post but useful as a warrior species.

Enter the goa'uld symbiote. Its intelligence amplifies the Tauri and the Unas gains better healing.

The Unas were dropped for a reason. Goa'uld are vain and like sexy humans and hate ugly unas

Zamolxes · 07-19-2006, 11:34 AM

Exacly. Besides a Goa'uld doesnt need Unas. Sure the sasquatch are better warriors but the Goa'uld pose as gods they arent footsoldiers/grunts. And an unas would have advantages and disadvantages. They have trouble talking, holding things in hand like using they're thumbs. Yes they can do them but not as good as humans they lack intelligence yet they regen realy fast and have higher stamina. Frankly the Goa'uld dont need physical strenght like high regen since they have sarcophagus. Goa'uld sit back and enjoy the show, they let they're jaffa do the fighting and the super soldiers.

Frunk · 07-19-2006, 11:37 AM

Goa'uld'ed unas Unas are going to be a niche thing. I can't see that much people wanting to be them.

Their healing is roughly on par with a wraith, but they are still dumber than human goa'ulds.

Everybody should start human and have the ability to do a quest to change to an unas host after a while.

Personnally, I'm torn on the issue. I don't know if I'd chose a human or unas host, although I'd jump on a wraith host ASAP, since it has the best of both worlds.

Fox Malkaris · 07-19-2006, 11:39 AM

I like the idea of starting out as a sqirmy symbiote and choosing your host. Wether its swimming in a lake or being implanted like Aphopis' wife either way would be cooler then just starting out as a whatever...

shai-hulud · 07-19-2006, 11:41 AM

I can see people wanting to be an una if they can wear fancy system lord outfits or armour and use some of the items, like hand devices. Lots of people talk about wanting to be a "tank", and this is really the closest thing this game will have as far as I can figure.
And actually the unas were dropped because they had less dexterity and so couldn't manipulate technology as well, and were less affected by healing technology.
*Edit*
whoa whoa, since when are goauld inside unas stupid symbiotes? I don't reacall that at all.

Ardar · 07-19-2006, 11:55 AM

If I make a goa'uld and have the choice for different race of host, Unas are one of my favorite.

They seems to be a good code of honor and I like to be different.

bisnac · 07-19-2006, 12:09 PM

I'm still up in the air on which race I will play. Don't know if I'll be a good guy yet or a bad guy. It really depends on what other people choose. I like to be different, and I usually don't pick human in an MMO. Once we are closer to launch, I will have a better idea of which race or faction that I will be playing.

If I do choose to be a Goa'uld, I would likely pick the Unas for the fact that they are not human. There will already be an exhorbanant amount of humans running around. If that indeed is the case, human won't be for me.

So in this situation, I would vote Unas.

Frunk · 07-19-2006, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by shai-hulud

*Edit*
whoa whoa, since when are goauld inside unas stupid symbiotes? I don't reacall that at all.

It's a general consensus that a Goa'uld inside an Unas is dumber than a Goa'uld inside an human since Goa'uld seem to use their host's brain for thinking and reasoning.

Zamolxes · 07-19-2006, 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frunk

It's a general consensus that a Goa'uld inside an Unas is dumber than a Goa'uld inside an human since Goa'uld seem to use their host's brain for thinking and reasoning.

Yah. I mean we dont realy know much on the subject but i think the Unas doesnt respond as well to commands when the Goa'uld tries to command him just because they are stupid unas are like animals just a bit smarter than dolphins. Humans are actually intelligent so the Goa'uld has more in common with a Human than an Unas therefore making them more compatible. So yes chosing a Human as a host would be the wiser choise but if you see no human nearby just grab what u can even a dog can work.

Madison Thatcher · 07-19-2006, 01:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frunk

It's a general consensus that a Goa'uld inside an Unas is dumber than a Goa'uld inside an human since Goa'uld seem to use their host's brain for thinking and reasoning.

I think it's been said in the series, I could be wrong (might have just read it on Gateworlds or something), that because of the lower neural connections in a Unas's brain, they are physically incapable of the intelligence a goa'uld could gain if in a human host. Humans have more neural connections, we are easy to heal, or various religions which they used to manipulate us, our abundancy are the many reasons the Goa'uld see humans as a superior hosts.

Oh, and Talios, I definately second the starting off as a symbiote. My main character will be Tau'ri, but if my alt is Goa'uld I think we should be able to have the choice of taking on a host in game and/or creating a host during character creation.

Gandron · 07-19-2006, 02:02 PM

why would you want to be an unas? the gould use humans for a reason!

Zamolxes · 07-19-2006, 02:04 PM

Exacly!!!

Gandron · 07-19-2006, 02:09 PM

i would rather have something like a wraith host... THAT would be cool. no need for hand devices there!

Madison Thatcher · 07-19-2006, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Gandron

why would you want to be an unas? the gould use humans for a reason!

I think people who play Unas hosts, would like the difference and contrast against human hosts. It's unique, and far as I've heard, unique in MMOs are pretty much a good thing

I also think goa'uld players who want Unas host plan on doing alot of their "dirty" work for their selves.

Gandron · 07-19-2006, 02:27 PM

good point nd all, except, "their selves" would make anybody with a degree in the english language (can you beleive that? english is so complex, we have to study it in school, and have experts on it! studying our own language.. WOW....) would tear your limbs out! i dotn have a problem with it, but it makes me sound dislexic...... ok, back on topic now... AAHHH!! i forgot what i was gonig to say... BLAST!

Jayna · 07-19-2006, 03:33 PM

You want to include many races into an MMO. When you see one with 16 races (vaguard) the magazines go completley crazy.

But when you get one with just 3, they bash. We need the Unas, we need the asgard, we need far more then then just human.

I swear that if the game goes to gold without at least 6 playable and well thought out races the game reviewers will bash that decision.

But why waste time on creating races that wont be used.

The Unas needs something, a buff to make up for the lower intelligence and the lack of "beauty"

A much higher stamina, much higher health, damage absorbtion, something that will pull 20% of people to the Unas away from the human Goa'uld.

Another question

Since if they include the Unas as a host they will already have the graphics should they allow you to play as a non hosted unas?

meanmon13 · 07-19-2006, 03:45 PM

I'd love to play as a Unas! Hosted or not; They are allot like the Native Americans, well except for the not being able to talk well and looking ugly. They could be the nature loving, ranger types with without the HIGH dexterity.

bisnac · 07-19-2006, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayna

Since if they include the Unas as a host they will already have the graphics should they allow you to play as a non hosted unas?[/b]

Sure... you should be able to be a Goa'uld Unas, a Jaffa Unas or a free Unas. The more options, the better.

Jayna · 07-19-2006, 03:52 PM

But a non hosted unas has an even bigger balance issue.

Now they are as smart as a box of hammers and cant even speak common tongue.

Alot of opinions, but i cant seem to think of a balanced addition thats also canon to allow people to go,

Hmmmm i just want to play this really stupid, technologically disadvantage giant green lizard

meanmon13 · 07-19-2006, 03:56 PM

I bet with some effort the Unas could be taught to fire weapons and speak other languages. Give them the benefit of the doubt, they may be stupid but their not animals. They are sentient individuals :-)

shai-hulud · 07-19-2006, 09:20 PM

Hmm, It has been a long while since I have seen the show, but I seem to recall the one trapped by Thors hammer being able to speak fine. And as for the sexy factor, I can really imagine some spiffy looking demon gods. Heck, in Hinduism, the demons were shape shifting lizard men who were nearly equal to the gods in power. Sounds like Una Goa'uld to me. And another episode mentioned a Goa’uld named Mardock, who I think is a Babylonian god who was a giant humanoid amphibian. I can't imagine one of the greatest gods of an entire pantheon being underdressed.

zcenicx · 07-20-2006, 01:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jayna

But a non hosted unas has an even bigger balance issue.

Now they are as smart as a box of hammers and cant even speak common tongue.

Alot of opinions, but i cant seem to think of a balanced addition thats also canon to allow people to go,

Hmmmm i just want to play this really stupid, technologically disadvantage giant green lizard

Kinda like Wookies, huh?

Lemon · 07-20-2006, 01:45 AM

Id be a Unas just becuase they can take a shed load of damg and apear dead but regen and come alive again

mrwakka · 07-20-2006, 02:37 AM

i think the intelligence debate is much arguing over nothing, so your unas won't be a scientist, it doesn't matter, unless the game impairs a players actual brain based on their characters intelligence stat i doubt anyone who wants to play a tank will care, and if its a tank you want, the unas is perfect.

heck, if they wanted a "uber" warrior they would likely make intelligence a dump stat anyway and put its points in endurance and strength.

as to as a goa'uld host, it would depend on how i envisioned my guys image, is he the sort of guy who sits back and hurls thunderbolts, or is he more of a sadistic killer who takes pleasure in the many variations of inflicting death, and the lizard look would assuredly be something to strike fear into subjects, as a surpreme god level goa'uld, i wouldn't go unas, but if i was working for one as sort of a demi-god type deal, unas all the way.

View Poll Results: If I were to play a Goa'uld Symbiote I would take this as a Host
Human/Tauri	19	55.88%
Unas	15	44.12%
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07-19-2006, 11:01 AM	#1
Jayna Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: P3X-888	Predict the poll - Balancing the Unas I can look into the future as it is now and see "human" host vs "unas" host and see the vast gulf between the two. Everyone is going to want to play the golden clothed system lord wannabe or the ancient tech reading scientist human hosted goa'uld. Who is going to pick the strong yet not very adaptable Unas. I mean they almost completely abandoned them as hosts when they found humans Lets take the poll first then see if there really is a problem then we can go about balancing the Unas. __________________ Just say NO to the Warcraft static storyline and YES to the Asheron's Call model where things change, end and progress.

07-19-2006, 11:31 AM	#2
Fox Malkaris Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Between the digital world and the real world.	Balancing? thats easy... Tuari host: same attributes as other Tuari. The "jack of all trades, but master of none" type race. Unas host: dumb as a lamp post but useful as a warrior species. Enter the goa'uld symbiote. Its intelligence amplifies the Tauri and the Unas gains better healing. The Unas were dropped for a reason. Goa'uld are vain and like sexy humans and hate ugly unas __________________ "Beware he who would deny you information for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Proud "Canonophile" since March 2006!

07-19-2006, 11:37 AM	#4
Frunk Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Quebec	Goa'uld'ed unas Unas are going to be a niche thing. I can't see that much people wanting to be them. Their healing is roughly on par with a wraith, but they are still dumber than human goa'ulds. Everybody should start human and have the ability to do a quest to change to an unas host after a while. Personnally, I'm torn on the issue. I don't know if I'd chose a human or unas host, although I'd jump on a wraith host ASAP, since it has the best of both worlds. __________________ Legions rejoice, for tonight our shall enemies dine with us, in Hades. We are the Inferno Legion of Hades Avernus. Bow down or burn.

07-19-2006, 11:39 AM	#5
Fox Malkaris Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Between the digital world and the real world.	I like the idea of starting out as a sqirmy symbiote and choosing your host. Wether its swimming in a lake or being implanted like Aphopis' wife either way would be cooler then just starting out as a whatever... __________________ "Beware he who would deny you information for in his heart he dreams himself your master." Proud "Canonophile" since March 2006!

07-19-2006, 11:34 AM	#3
Zamolxes Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Milky Way	Exacly. Besides a Goa'uld doesnt need Unas. Sure the sasquatch are better warriors but the Goa'uld pose as gods they arent footsoldiers/grunts. And an unas would have advantages and disadvantages. They have trouble talking, holding things in hand like using they're thumbs. Yes they can do them but not as good as humans they lack intelligence yet they regen realy fast and have higher stamina. Frankly the Goa'uld dont need physical strenght like high regen since they have sarcophagus. Goa'uld sit back and enjoy the show, they let they're jaffa do the fighting and the super soldiers.

07-19-2006, 11:41 AM	#6
shai-hulud Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Summer house on mars	I can see people wanting to be an una if they can wear fancy system lord outfits or armour and use some of the items, like hand devices. Lots of people talk about wanting to be a "tank", and this is really the closest thing this game will have as far as I can figure. And actually the unas were dropped because they had less dexterity and so couldn't manipulate technology as well, and were less affected by healing technology. Edit whoa whoa, since when are goauld inside unas stupid symbiotes? I don't reacall that at all. Last edited by shai-hulud : 07-19-2006 at 11:43 AM.

07-19-2006, 11:55 AM	#7
Ardar Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Rennes, France	If I make a goa'uld and have the choice for different race of host, Unas are one of my favorite. They seems to be a good code of honor and I like to be different. __________________ My Spore profile.

07-19-2006, 12:09 PM	#8
bisnac Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver	I'm still up in the air on which race I will play. Don't know if I'll be a good guy yet or a bad guy. It really depends on what other people choose. I like to be different, and I usually don't pick human in an MMO. Once we are closer to launch, I will have a better idea of which race or faction that I will be playing. If I do choose to be a Goa'uld, I would likely pick the Unas for the fact that they are not human. There will already be an exhorbanant amount of humans running around. If that indeed is the case, human won't be for me. So in this situation, I would vote Unas.

07-19-2006, 02:02 PM	#12
Gandron Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here.	why would you want to be an unas? the gould use humans for a reason! __________________

07-19-2006, 02:04 PM	#13
Zamolxes Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: The Milky Way	Exacly!!!

07-19-2006, 02:09 PM	#14
Gandron Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here.	i would rather have something like a wraith host... THAT would be cool. no need for hand devices there! __________________

07-19-2006, 02:27 PM	#16
Gandron Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Here.	good point nd all, except, "their selves" would make anybody with a degree in the english language (can you beleive that? english is so complex, we have to study it in school, and have experts on it! studying our own language.. WOW....) would tear your limbs out! i dotn have a problem with it, but it makes me sound dislexic...... ok, back on topic now... AAHHH!! i forgot what i was gonig to say... BLAST! __________________

07-19-2006, 03:33 PM	#17
Jayna Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: P3X-888	You want to include many races into an MMO. When you see one with 16 races (vaguard) the magazines go completley crazy. But when you get one with just 3, they bash. We need the Unas, we need the asgard, we need far more then then just human. I swear that if the game goes to gold without at least 6 playable and well thought out races the game reviewers will bash that decision. But why waste time on creating races that wont be used. The Unas needs something, a buff to make up for the lower intelligence and the lack of "beauty" A much higher stamina, much higher health, damage absorbtion, something that will pull 20% of people to the Unas away from the human Goa'uld. Another question Since if they include the Unas as a host they will already have the graphics should they allow you to play as a non hosted unas? __________________ Just say NO to the Warcraft static storyline and YES to the Asheron's Call model where things change, end and progress.

07-19-2006, 03:45 PM	#18
meanmon13 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Carolina	I'd love to play as a Unas! Hosted or not; They are allot like the Native Americans, well except for the not being able to talk well and looking ugly. They could be the nature loving, ranger types with without the HIGH dexterity. __________________ The Stargate Worlds Wiki \| Stargate Worlds Frapper \| My Website \| Stagate Worlds Radio \| SGWirc.com

07-19-2006, 03:52 PM	#20
Jayna Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: P3X-888	But a non hosted unas has an even bigger balance issue. Now they are as smart as a box of hammers and cant even speak common tongue. Alot of opinions, but i cant seem to think of a balanced addition thats also canon to allow people to go, Hmmmm i just want to play this really stupid, technologically disadvantage giant green lizard __________________ Just say NO to the Warcraft static storyline and YES to the Asheron's Call model where things change, end and progress.

07-19-2006, 03:56 PM	#21
meanmon13 Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: South Carolina	I bet with some effort the Unas could be taught to fire weapons and speak other languages. Give them the benefit of the doubt, they may be stupid but their not animals. They are sentient individuals :-) __________________ The Stargate Worlds Wiki \| Stargate Worlds Frapper \| My Website \| Stagate Worlds Radio \| SGWirc.com

07-19-2006, 09:20 PM	#22
shai-hulud Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Summer house on mars	Hmm, It has been a long while since I have seen the show, but I seem to recall the one trapped by Thors hammer being able to speak fine. And as for the sexy factor, I can really imagine some spiffy looking demon gods. Heck, in Hinduism, the demons were shape shifting lizard men who were nearly equal to the gods in power. Sounds like Una Goa'uld to me. And another episode mentioned a Goa’uld named Mardock, who I think is a Babylonian god who was a giant humanoid amphibian. I can't imagine one of the greatest gods of an entire pantheon being underdressed. Last edited by shai-hulud : 07-19-2006 at 09:23 PM.

07-20-2006, 01:45 AM	#24
Lemon Join Date: May 2006 Location: South West England	Id be a Unas just becuase they can take a shed load of damg and apear dead but regen and come alive again __________________

07-20-2006, 02:37 AM	#25
mrwakka Join Date: Jul 2006	i think the intelligence debate is much arguing over nothing, so your unas won't be a scientist, it doesn't matter, unless the game impairs a players actual brain based on their characters intelligence stat i doubt anyone who wants to play a tank will care, and if its a tank you want, the unas is perfect. heck, if they wanted a "uber" warrior they would likely make intelligence a dump stat anyway and put its points in endurance and strength. as to as a goa'uld host, it would depend on how i envisioned my guys image, is he the sort of guy who sits back and hurls thunderbolts, or is he more of a sadistic killer who takes pleasure in the many variations of inflicting death, and the lizard look would assuredly be something to strike fear into subjects, as a surpreme god level goa'uld, i wouldn't go unas, but if i was working for one as sort of a demi-god type deal, unas all the way. __________________ Daniel: "General, I'd like permission for Hathor to come down here and debrief us." O'Neill: "Whoa, Danny! I don't think so."

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